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Post by Clemensbuff on Apr 25, 2023 5:20:42 GMT -6
No we called the region weak because ccisd pushed out the region 4 competition. As for the district, as a 5A D1, they are weak. If you add in GP and possibly FB, now you have Vets, FB, GP, East, West, Miller, and possibly an up and coming Carroll that would test each other. That's 6 legitimate playoff teams and a 7th possibly, to make those teams a lot better prepared... Moody, King, and Ray are still going to suck and will be the cellar dwellars... compared to what D1 and D2 have looked like, that is a way better district. Vets and Miller had very few games in district that tested them. Same for GP and FB. Getting rid of that for those teams will only make them better. They'd then be facing the Liberty Hill's, LBJ's, AH's and such to get through the region. That's a way better playoff path too. He just has a very, very difficult time understanding why R4 5a D1 is what it is. I've even laid it out before showing how NON-competitive our teams have been the last decade in it when facing R3 but he still didn't get it. The only team that really competed pretty well the last few years was Wagner once or twice who played close games but fell apart towards the end of that one ball game.
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Post by picodegallo on Apr 25, 2023 5:42:07 GMT -6
No we called the region weak because ccisd pushed out the region 4 competition. As for the district, as a 5A D1, they are weak. If you add in GP and possibly FB, now you have Vets, FB, GP, East, West, Miller, and possibly an up and coming Carroll that would test each other. That's 6 legitimate playoff teams and a 7th possibly, to make those teams a lot better prepared... Moody, King, and Ray are still going to suck and will be the cellar dwellars... compared to what D1 and D2 have looked like, that is a way better district. Vets and Miller had very few games in district that tested them. Same for GP and FB. Getting rid of that for those teams will only make them better. They'd then be facing the Liberty Hill's, LBJ's, AH's and such to get through the region. That's a way better playoff path too. He just has a very, very difficult time understanding why R4 5a D1 is what it is. I've even laid it out before showing how NON-competitive our teams have been the last decade in it when facing R3 but he still didn't get it. The only team that really competed pretty well the last few years was Wagner once or twice who played close games but fell apart towards the end of that one ball game. Yep. It’s safe suggesting that Region IV 5A D1 is the weakest across all classes from 1A to 6A.
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Post by arges on Apr 25, 2023 9:05:00 GMT -6
Moving the CCISD schools out of Division 1 due to enrollment or to Region 3 will let District 12 to move into Region 4 and make it much stronger. The Victoria schools could go towards Houston and play the Lamar and other schools like Galveston and Angleton.
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Post by BandidoNB on Apr 25, 2023 12:16:47 GMT -6
Moving the CCISD schools out of Division 1 due to enrollment or to Region 3 will let District 12 to move into Region 4 and make it much stronger. The Victoria schools could go towards Houston and play the Lamar and other schools like Galveston and Angleton. So the northeast San Antonio area district (Smithson Valley, Seguin, SA Wagner, Hays, Boerne Champion) sounds like it has a chance to slide back into Region 4 again in 5A D1, but in 5A D2 they would be pushing out Liberty Hill, SA Pieper, SA Vets, SA Alamo Heights and Kerrville Tivy into R3.
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Post by arges on Apr 25, 2023 12:28:52 GMT -6
Wagner and Liberty Hill should have 6A numbers. The Harlandale schools and Southside may join the Division 2 district.
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Post by ccwarcat on Apr 25, 2023 15:35:05 GMT -6
Moving the CCISD schools out of Division 1 due to enrollment or to Region 3 will let District 12 to move into Region 4 and make it much stronger. The Victoria schools could go towards Houston and play the Lamar and other schools like Galveston and Angleton. What everyone is not taking into account is the RGV. The RGV added an entire district to 5A-1 last realignment. Being physically furthest south on the map, it only makes sense that their additions popped the northern fringe northward and into R3. I can’t remember the exact number but it was north of 7 schools that they added. Think I’m wrong? I’m not. If they add another several schools into whatever classification… guess what that does to the northern edge schools? In theory, the RGV could be an entire Region 4 if they keep doing what they did to 5A-1 last time. They are already 2 of the 4 districts. In the past they had 1 district, Corpus Christi had 1 district, and SA/northward had 2 districts. The 2 number simply flipped south. Corpus Christi still had 1 district in 5A-1.
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Post by Hounhound on Apr 25, 2023 16:20:40 GMT -6
Moving the CCISD schools out of Division 1 due to enrollment or to Region 3 will let District 12 to move into Region 4 and make it much stronger. The Victoria schools could go towards Houston and play the Lamar and other schools like Galveston and Angleton. What everyone is not taking into account is the RGV. The RGV added an entire district to 5A-1 last realignment. Being physically furthest south on the map, it only makes sense that their additions popped the northern fringe northward and into R3. I can’t remember the exact number but it was north of 7 schools that they added. Think I’m wrong? I’m not. If they add another several schools into whatever classification… guess what that does to the northern edge schools? In theory, the RGV could be an entire Region 4 if they keep doing what they did to 5A-1 last time. They are already 2 of the 4 districts. In the past they had 1 district, Corpus Christi had 1 district, and SA/northward had 2 districts. The 2 number simply flipped south. Corpus Christi still had 1 district in 5A-1. And all but 1 of the CCISD schools was Division 2 by enrollment. That's another 5 schools that pushed schools into region 3
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Post by ccwarcat on Apr 25, 2023 16:28:11 GMT -6
What everyone is not taking into account is the RGV. The RGV added an entire district to 5A-1 last realignment. Being physically furthest south on the map, it only makes sense that their additions popped the northern fringe northward and into R3. I can’t remember the exact number but it was north of 7 schools that they added. Think I’m wrong? I’m not. If they add another several schools into whatever classification… guess what that does to the northern edge schools? In theory, the RGV could be an entire Region 4 if they keep doing what they did to 5A-1 last time. They are already 2 of the 4 districts. In the past they had 1 district, Corpus Christi had 1 district, and SA/northward had 2 districts. The 2 number simply flipped south. Corpus Christi still had 1 district in 5A-1. And all but 1 of the CCISD schools was Division 2 by enrollment. That's another 5 schools that pushed schools into region 3 Yes, had CCISD not opted up, there would have been 2 RGV districts and 2 SA/northward districts. You’re right. But that would have been an anomaly of an R4 makeup. CCISD remained in 5A-1… so what really pushed north teams northward was the RGV adding a district.
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Post by Hounhound on Apr 25, 2023 16:32:13 GMT -6
And all but 1 of the CCISD schools was Division 2 by enrollment. That's another 5 schools that pushed schools into region 3 Yes, had CCISD not opted up, there would have been 2 RGV districts and 2 SA/northward districts. You’re right. But that would have been an anomaly of an R4 makeup. CCISD remained in 5A-1… so what really pushed north teams northward was the RGV adding a district. The RGV had schools that dropped from 6A to 5A1. They did not opt them down to 5A. CCISD is the only school in the state to opt up 5 teams into 1 district. IN ANY CLASSIFICATION!
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Post by picodegallo on Apr 25, 2023 17:20:37 GMT -6
Yes, had CCISD not opted up, there would have been 2 RGV districts and 2 SA/northward districts. You’re right. But that would have been an anomaly of an R4 makeup. CCISD remained in 5A-1… so what really pushed north teams northward was the RGV adding a district. The RGV had schools that dropped from 6A to 5A1. They did not opt them down to 5A. CCISD is the only school in the state to opt up 5 teams into 1 district. IN ANY CLASSIFICATION! That’s correct. The RGV schools didn’t have opt ups. Brownsville ISD could’ve played the same game as the CCISD and Austin ISD, but didn’t. Austin ISD opted LBJ and some others up to 5A. NO MORE OPT UPs!
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Post by arges on Apr 25, 2023 17:24:24 GMT -6
The RGV had schools that dropped from 6A to 5A1. They did not opt them down to 5A. CCISD is the only school in the state to opt up 5 teams into 1 district. IN ANY CLASSIFICATION! That’s correct. The RGV schools didn’t have opt ups. Brownsville ISD could’ve played the same game as the CCISD and Austin ISD, but didn’t. Austin ISD opted LBJ and some others up to 5A. NO MORE OPT UPs!
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Post by arges on Apr 25, 2023 17:25:23 GMT -6
I was going to say the same thing. SAISD has been doing this with Sam Houston for years.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Apr 26, 2023 7:52:31 GMT -6
Moving the CCISD schools out of Division 1 due to enrollment or to Region 3 will let District 12 to move into Region 4 and make it much stronger. The Victoria schools could go towards Houston and play the Lamar and other schools like Galveston and Angleton. What everyone is not taking into account is the RGV. The RGV added an entire district to 5A-1 last realignment. Being physically furthest south on the map, it only makes sense that their additions popped the northern fringe northward and into R3. I can’t remember the exact number but it was north of 7 schools that they added. Think I’m wrong? I’m not. If they add another several schools into whatever classification… guess what that does to the northern edge schools? In theory, the RGV could be an entire Region 4 if they keep doing what they did to 5A-1 last time. They are already 2 of the 4 districts. In the past they had 1 district, Corpus Christi had 1 district, and SA/northward had 2 districts. The 2 number simply flipped south. Corpus Christi still had 1 district in 5A-1. And what you are NOT taking into account is those RGV schools are legit 5a D1 schools, NOT 5a D2 schools opted up for the sake of 1 of their schools in their district! See any difference there chief?
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Post by oldcatnewhornet on Apr 26, 2023 9:16:02 GMT -6
What everyone is not taking into account is the RGV. The RGV added an entire district to 5A-1 last realignment. Being physically furthest south on the map, it only makes sense that their additions popped the northern fringe northward and into R3. I can’t remember the exact number but it was north of 7 schools that they added. Think I’m wrong? I’m not. If they add another several schools into whatever classification… guess what that does to the northern edge schools? In theory, the RGV could be an entire Region 4 if they keep doing what they did to 5A-1 last time. They are already 2 of the 4 districts. In the past they had 1 district, Corpus Christi had 1 district, and SA/northward had 2 districts. The 2 number simply flipped south. Corpus Christi still had 1 district in 5A-1. And what you are NOT taking into account is those RGV schools are legit 5a D1 schools, NOT 5a D2 schools opted up for the sake of 1 of their schools in their district! See any difference there chief? Hello Wall. He believes what he wants Same crap every year
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Post by warcat82 on Apr 26, 2023 12:22:24 GMT -6
What the UIL needs to do is cut opt ups, cut open enrollments, cut magnate schools, and get rid of the private/charter schools. Let those schools go cheat in the other private school leagues.
If they end all that nonsense, schools would be forced to play where they are supposed to be, and no inflated numbers.
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