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Post by milkshake on Apr 29, 2022 5:14:55 GMT -6
Same old argument you want that doesn't work. Everyone on this board can see it but you. Great defense beats great offense the same as great pitching beats great hitting. Nope. We have so many more 35-28 type national championships than we to 14-7 national championships. We have so many more 7-5 type world series games than we do 1-0 type games. Get over those old stereotypes that came to fruition at a time when everyone was running clock killing run based offenses thus giving us all low scores. This isn't the 60's. There's high school teams today better than college elites from that era. some of those scores are by the defense or set up by Turnovers by those defenses. I'm not arguing either way but you can't leave out that aspect of it.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Apr 29, 2022 6:06:14 GMT -6
Same old argument you want that doesn't work. Everyone on this board can see it but you. Great defense beats great offense the same as great pitching beats great hitting. You're deflecting. This isn't the "dEfEnSe WiNs ChAmPiOnShIpS" argument this is about the complete exaggeration of the SEC defenses by eSECpn. Not deflecting a bit Even a GREAT Clemson team in 2018 had a stellar defense that year I'll compile some numbers just from the last 5 Natl title teams and what they did defensively but I know you will call it cherry picking as usual. Even 2019 LSU held 12 of 15 teams they played to below their season average. UT was one of the 3 who got more than their season average on them by 3 points. That LSU defense held Miss ST, Auburn, A&M, Georgia, Oklahoma, & Clemson in the title game to 14+ points under their season averages against all other opponents. So yeah, even when you have a very good offense it damn sure is about having great defenses still no matter how you want to spin it. Hell, you got a small taste of SEC last year. Arkansas held your Longhorns to 21 points when the UT offense was rolling early in the year. Even you admitted the offense was anemic late in the year yet it still averaged 34 ppg against big 12 opponents. What does that say for big 12 defense?
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Post by Clemensbuff on Apr 29, 2022 6:24:41 GMT -6
Same old argument you want that doesn't work. Everyone on this board can see it but you. Great defense beats great offense the same as great pitching beats great hitting. Nope. We have so many more 35-28 type national championships than we to 14-7 national championships. We have so many more 7-5 type world series games than we do 1-0 type games. Get over those old stereotypes that came to fruition at a time when everyone was running clock killing run based offenses thus giving us all low scores. This isn't the 60's. There's high school teams today better than college elites from that era. Stop just throwing numbers around without even doing the research! in the last 20 years in the national title game the losing team has scored 28 or more just 4 times. The average score of the losing team is 21.5. In the last 5 years no losing team has scored over 25 and the average is 21.2
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Post by Clemensbuff on Apr 29, 2022 6:43:44 GMT -6
Just for you Chino:
2021 Georgia Held every team they played to below their season average against all other opponents including Alabama (.5 point) in the SEC title game that they lost. Held 13 of the 15 teams they faced to at least 14 points below their scoring average. Held 10 teams to at least 21 points below their season avg.
2020 Alabama Held 11 of 13 opponents below their season avg. Held 7 of those 11 at least 14 points below their avg. Held 5 of those 11 at least 21 points below their avg
2019 LSU Held 12 of 15 opponents below their season avg. Held 8 of those 12 at least 14 points below their avg. Held 5 of the 12 at least 21 below their avg.
2018 Clemson Held 14 of 15 opponents below their season avg. Held 10 of those 14 teams at least 14 points below their avg. Held 7 of those 14 teams at least 21 below their avg. Held 5 of those 14 at least 28 points below their avg including Alabama in the title game (44-16)
2017 Alabama Held all 14 teams below their season avg. Held 11 of the 14 teams at least 14 below their avg. Held 6 of the 14 at least 21 points below their avg. Held 3 of these teams at least 28 below their avg
This isn't cherry picking a damn thing Chino. These are actual numbers and numbers DO NOT LIE. Great defenses are what win titles and the SEC has won the overwhelming majority of those titles the last 20 years no matter how much you want to whine about them getting all the media attention! They earned it on the field with championships!
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Post by picodegallo on Apr 29, 2022 8:31:24 GMT -6
I guess ill come over here from the FB thread cause they don't talk HS football in the offseason. UT is at best the 4th best program in Texas. UT cant beat Alabama or OU in there dreams Riddle me this King... When was the last time A&M won a national football title? I'll give you a hint.... The average life expectancy is 78 years old. Add four to that and then subtract that number from 2022 and there is your answer. That's the problem with aggy... They thump their chests and print thousands of T-shirts with the " We BTHO of Alabama" and forget they went 8-4 and 4-4 in their conference again where with exception of the Covid season of 2020 and Manzels first season, aggy has not been a good SEC team. Period. And that's is not because the SEC is this murder's row because I know that is the next card that is going to be thrown on the table as you guys are predictable as the sun rising in the east and setting in the west. The winning record is only what it is due to the cream puffs they front load on their schedule and thanks the SEC allowing each of their schools to have four non conference games to allow them to do this. Let's not forget the glorious tradition of the 12th man tucked tail and didn't show up to their bowl game this year and used Covid as an excuse almost three weeks out while other teams lost opt outs like LSU, showed up to their bowl game. What a laughable legacy to brag about. You should be forced to cede the trademark and give it Seattle for free or a phony $3 bill which would be fitting.
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Post by flowtowntigers on Apr 29, 2022 9:33:10 GMT -6
Cupcake Kansas, cough, cough. SEC Mid card Arkansas took the Horns to the shed last year.
The Big 12 is nothing but cupcakes outside of OU over the last 5 years. Even little old Baylor has moved up to the #2 team in the Big12.
Also, the Big 12 has not produced a first round draft pick in the last two years.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Apr 29, 2022 9:45:55 GMT -6
I guess ill come over here from the FB thread cause they don't talk HS football in the offseason. UT is at best the 4th best program in Texas. UT cant beat Alabama or OU in there dreams Riddle me this King... When was the last time A&M won a national football title? I'll give you a hint.... The average life expectancy is 78 years old. Add four to that and then subtract that number from 2022 and there is your answer. That's the problem with aggy... They thump their chests and print thousands of T-shirts with the " We BTHO of Alabama" and forget they went 8-4 and 4-4 in their conference again where with exception of the Covid season of 2020 and Manzels first season, aggy has not been a good SEC team. Period. And that's is not because the SEC is this murder's row because I know that is the next card that is going to be thrown on the table as you guys are predictable as the sun rising in the east and setting in the west. The winning record is only what it is due to the cream puffs they front load on their schedule and thanks the SEC allowing each of their schools to have four non conference games to allow them to do this. Let's not forget the glorious tradition of the 12th man tucked tail and didn't show up to their bowl game this year and used Covid as an excuse almost three weeks out while other teams lost opt outs like LSU, showed up to their bowl game. What a laughable legacy to brag about. You should be forced to cede the trademark and give it Seattle for free or a phony $3 bill which would be fitting. And yet I've already shown you that since moving to the SEC A&M's conference record is better than TU's is in the big12-2. You are a smart guy and know damn good and well which conferences is better and should have seen it first hand last year against Arkansas. And quit the BS already about the cream puffs played by SEC teams in non conference when your Longhorns have scheduled plenty of them the last decade on top of having a couple of true cream puffs on your conference schedule every year. ............... whoops, sorry I forgot T-sips lost at home to KANSAS last year. So yeah, I will take 8-4 last year and a win over Alabama over 5-7 overall, 3-6 in the 4th strongest conference in college football, the longest losing streak in 70 years, and a LOSS AT HOME TO 2-10 KANSAS. Your Longhorns will get their chance very soon but as of today even you, a die hard T-sip knows who is doing better.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Apr 29, 2022 9:46:59 GMT -6
Cupcake Kansas, cough, cough. SEC Mid card Arkansas took the Horns to the shed last year. The Big 12 is nothing but cupcakes outside of OU over the last 5 years. Even little old Baylor has moved up to the #2 team in the Big12.Also, the Big 12 has not produced a first round draft pick in the last two years. #1 last year! Go Bears!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 16:34:51 GMT -6
Nope. We have so many more 35-28 type national championships than we to 14-7 national championships. We have so many more 7-5 type world series games than we do 1-0 type games. Get over those old stereotypes that came to fruition at a time when everyone was running clock killing run based offenses thus giving us all low scores. This isn't the 60's. There's high school teams today better than college elites from that era. some of those scores are by the defense or set up by Turnovers by those defenses. I'm not arguing either way but you can't leave out that aspect of it. Works all ways. Then you can argue that the offense and even special teams is responsible for the good position the defenses are sometimes left in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 16:38:11 GMT -6
Just for you Chino: 2021 Georgia Held every team they played to below their season average against all other opponents including Alabama (.5 point) in the SEC title game that they lost. Held 13 of the 15 teams they faced to at least 14 points below their scoring average. Held 10 teams to at least 21 points below their season avg. 2020 Alabama Held 11 of 13 opponents below their season avg. Held 7 of those 11 at least 14 points below their avg. Held 5 of those 11 at least 21 points below their avg 2019 LSU Held 12 of 15 opponents below their season avg. Held 8 of those 12 at least 14 points below their avg. Held 5 of the 12 at least 21 below their avg. 2018 Clemson Held 14 of 15 opponents below their season avg. Held 10 of those 14 teams at least 14 points below their avg. Held 7 of those 14 teams at least 21 below their avg. Held 5 of those 14 at least 28 points below their avg including Alabama in the title game (44-16) 2017 Alabama Held all 14 teams below their season avg. Held 11 of the 14 teams at least 14 below their avg. Held 6 of the 14 at least 21 points below their avg. Held 3 of these teams at least 28 below their avg This isn't cherry picking a damn thing Chino. These are actual numbers and numbers DO NOT LIE. Great defenses are what win titles and the SEC has won the overwhelming majority of those titles the last 20 years no matter how much you want to whine about them getting all the media attention! They earned it on the field with championships! Most ridiculous cherry pick job ever. Why don't you cherry pick how many teams they scored more on than their season averages. Anyone can cherry pick. Am I lying when I say the whole "defense wins championships" mantra was started in an era where everyone scored next to nothing because everyone was running clock killing run based offenses. That's not my opinion. That happened. These teams you just cherry picked also had great offenses. You left that out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 16:41:12 GMT -6
Cupcake Kansas, cough, cough. SEC Mid card Arkansas took the Horns to the shed last year. The Big 12 is nothing but cupcakes outside of OU over the last 5 years. Even little old Baylor has moved up to the #2 team in the Big12. Also, the Big 12 has not produced a first round draft pick in the last two years. Big XII isn't getting it's azz kissed by eSECpn 24/7. Be real a lot of those SEC top draft picks end up busts. Especially your QBs. Take the best players at each position in the NFL and most are from non-SEC conferences. But the overratedness of your conference 24/7 by the media has your players on average getting drafted higher than they deserve. You think the scouts don't pay attention and get influenced by the media? Of course they do.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 16:43:19 GMT -6
Cupcake Kansas, cough, cough. SEC Mid card Arkansas took the Horns to the shed last year. The Big 12 is nothing but cupcakes outside of OU over the last 5 years. Even little old Baylor has moved up to the #2 team in the Big12. Also, the Big 12 has not produced a first round draft pick in the last two years. Dude your conference is carried by Bama. Your conference is 10 bums in the bottom 10. Other than Bama the others that have won titles over the last decade and a half aren't consistently great. It's once in awhile. A bum azz 5 loss Longhorn team was a dropped TD pass away from beating your conferences best team ever - LSU. Or at least one of the best at worst. Overrated conference.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 16:44:31 GMT -6
Riddle me this King... When was the last time A&M won a national football title? I'll give you a hint.... The average life expectancy is 78 years old. Add four to that and then subtract that number from 2022 and there is your answer. That's the problem with aggy... They thump their chests and print thousands of T-shirts with the " We BTHO of Alabama" and forget they went 8-4 and 4-4 in their conference again where with exception of the Covid season of 2020 and Manzels first season, aggy has not been a good SEC team. Period. And that's is not because the SEC is this murder's row because I know that is the next card that is going to be thrown on the table as you guys are predictable as the sun rising in the east and setting in the west. The winning record is only what it is due to the cream puffs they front load on their schedule and thanks the SEC allowing each of their schools to have four non conference games to allow them to do this. Let's not forget the glorious tradition of the 12th man tucked tail and didn't show up to their bowl game this year and used Covid as an excuse almost three weeks out while other teams lost opt outs like LSU, showed up to their bowl game. What a laughable legacy to brag about. You should be forced to cede the trademark and give it Seattle for free or a phony $3 bill which would be fitting. And yet I've already shown you that since moving to the SEC A&M's conference record is better than TU's is in the big12-2. You are a smart guy and know damn good and well which conferences is better and should have seen it first hand last year against Arkansas. And quit the BS already about the cream puffs played by SEC teams in non conference when your Longhorns have scheduled plenty of them the last decade on top of having a couple of true cream puffs on your conference schedule every year. ............... whoops, sorry I forgot T-sips lost at home to KANSAS last year. So yeah, I will take 8-4 last year and a win over Alabama over 5-7 overall, 3-6 in the 4th strongest conference in college football, the longest losing streak in 70 years, and a LOSS AT HOME TO 2-10 KANSAS. Your Longhorns will get their chance very soon but as of today even you, a die hard T-sip knows who is doing better. Show the stat where A&M has a better win percentage in the SEC than what they did in the previous equal amount of years in the Big XII. Why if your conference is so much harder?. Cherry pick king left that one out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 20:48:17 GMT -6
People mocking Baylor with jokes... meanwhile still in round 3 they've had like 5 guys drafted already.
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Post by sotex on Apr 29, 2022 21:31:23 GMT -6
Just for you Chino: 2021 Georgia Held every team they played to below their season average against all other opponents including Alabama (.5 point) in the SEC title game that they lost. Held 13 of the 15 teams they faced to at least 14 points below their scoring average. Held 10 teams to at least 21 points below their season avg. 2020 Alabama Held 11 of 13 opponents below their season avg. Held 7 of those 11 at least 14 points below their avg. Held 5 of those 11 at least 21 points below their avg 2019 LSU Held 12 of 15 opponents below their season avg. Held 8 of those 12 at least 14 points below their avg. Held 5 of the 12 at least 21 below their avg. 2018 Clemson Held 14 of 15 opponents below their season avg. Held 10 of those 14 teams at least 14 points below their avg. Held 7 of those 14 teams at least 21 below their avg. Held 5 of those 14 at least 28 points below their avg including Alabama in the title game (44-16) 2017 Alabama Held all 14 teams below their season avg. Held 11 of the 14 teams at least 14 below their avg. Held 6 of the 14 at least 21 points below their avg. Held 3 of these teams at least 28 below their avg This isn't cherry picking a damn thing Chino. These are actual numbers and numbers DO NOT LIE. Great defenses are what win titles and the SEC has won the overwhelming majority of those titles the last 20 years no matter how much you want to whine about them getting all the media attention! They earned it on the field with championships! Most ridiculous cherry pick job ever. Why don't you cherry pick how many teams they scored more on than their season averages. Anyone can cherry pick. Am I lying when I say the whole "defense wins championships" mantra was started in an era where everyone scored next to nothing because everyone was running clock killing run based offenses. That's not my opinion. That happened. These teams you just cherry picked also had great offenses. You left that out. How is that cherry picking? He just gave you the stats over the last 5 years and those are facts. It's up to you now to provide the facts to disprove it. In your earlier post you said Bama carried the SEC. In the last 5 years the SEC has won 4 of the 5 national titles with 3 different teams and that wasn't done with the ESPN conspiracy factor you claim. They did it in the playoff system. Disprove his point with facts instead of your opinions. I'll wait.
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