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Post by gpballer4life on Apr 23, 2024 11:47:41 GMT -6
No problem with disagreeing with each other. That's what makes the world go around. It don't bother me that you have a differing opinion about Harris. Akins was during my childhood mainly. GP definitely had some salty teams back then! No matter who the coach is, if they have to retain an entire staff from the previous regime, it's difficult for them to succeed unless that staff is 10 time state champs. So to do a home grown guy that way is really bad. As for Harrison being a difference maker, he definitely was. Keep digging you're almost there. Akins coached before the oil crash and the exodus it caused. Hint it's Jimmys and Joes more than Xs and Os. It’s Jimmys and Joes and Gp hasn’t been the same since NAS Ingleside closed. It’s the same shot Flour Bluff would take if CCAD or NAS-CC closed .
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Post by FB fan on Apr 23, 2024 12:15:43 GMT -6
Keep digging you're almost there. Akins coached before the oil crash and the exodus it caused. Hint it's Jimmys and Joes more than Xs and Os. It’s Jimmys and Joes and Gp hasn’t been the same since NAS Ingleside closed. It’s the same shot Flour Bluff would take if CCAD or NAS-CC closed . Not NAS so much. The active duty numbers are small with very small percentage old enough to have high school age children.
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Post by warcat82 on Apr 23, 2024 13:51:01 GMT -6
You can have all the Jimmy's and Joe's you want but without proper coaching they are going to still under perform.
Prime example in high school is Temple under coach Munson who had an extremely talented team yet couldn't get above 500. He gets replaced with a great coach and that same talent goes to the state title game immediately.
In the pros, look at the cowboys for example. They have a talented roster but coaching and ownership is terrible. Thus they underachieve. Yet the Texans have now got great coaching and they over achieved with a less talented roster. Granted their QB is a great QB.
In college, A&M had a ton of talent but crap coaching and look what happened. Texas for years had top talent and crap coaching and sucked. Same with Florida and Miami. They had tons of talent but sucked because of coaching.
So Jimmy's and Joe's only go as far as the coaches get you. The x's and o's that the coaches plan involves is highly important. If you Jimmy's to jump in B gap all night and the run in A gap all night you are killing your team... if you blitz wide and the run inside all night, you are killing your team. If you are sending your kids 5 yards up field instead of reading the play and they run past you that's on the coach.
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Post by wfcoyote on Apr 23, 2024 14:12:40 GMT -6
Let me clear this up. I was oil field trash and moved here because I had a son that would be playing football just before Celia hit. My son was mishandled about the same as gpjohn’s son was handled. GP was loaded with talent and my son graded in the top 5% when he played. If I had chose TM, he would have been a starter. Coach Ray Akins had farm boys and oil field trash and I won’t mention the others are it would be considered racist but they were small. I remember one that was a LB that could bench press twice his 165 lb weight. One other was son of oil field parent. They were hitters. They had a Top DC Coach Carlo Mircovich. GP had the best feeder system under Junior high coach John Kline. You can see a sports center named after him with a stadium . Actually there are two stadiums side by side. The windfall profit tax created a depression for the oil field trash. It created a depression for GP athletics. The technology in Farm Equipment advancement eliminated a lot of farm boys. You shoveled less grain and less stomping down cotton in the wagon. I did that and pulled cotton when I was in 6th grade. Me and my siblings played under the shade of a cotton wagon while our mom picked cotton.before I started school. I came from humble beginnings. The change in farming and oil field has made changes in athletes at GP. If Johnny’s is still on here, he could give a better definition of the changes. My Middle school great grandson stacks round bales of cotton with a fork lift tractor after the cotton stripper drops them out like giant Easter eggs. The bottom line is the players under Coach Ray Akins had stronger work ethics than the players you have today. That may also be the difference in the Boerne players and the GP players. Coach Emory Bellar was Coach Carlo Mircovich HC at Ingleside when he was in HS. Coach Carlo Mircovich was hired at Breckenridge by Coach Emory Bellard when he graduated college and that is where he met his wife Doris who had graduated at North Texas State. Coach Carlo Mircovich had expierence with rabid fans and winning a state title. Little did I know when watching games in Wichita Falls against Breckenridge and a assistant Coach Carlo Mircovich, I would share Christmas dinner with him in Portland many years later.
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Post by FB fan on Apr 23, 2024 14:44:54 GMT -6
You can have all the Jimmy's and Joe's you want but without proper coaching they are going to still under perform. Prime example in high school is Temple under coach Munson who had an extremely talented team yet couldn't get above 500. He gets replaced with a great coach and that same talent goes to the state title game immediately. In the pros, look at the cowboys for example. They have a talented roster but coaching and ownership is terrible. Thus they underachieve. Yet the Texans have now got great coaching and they over achieved with a less talented roster. Granted their QB is a great QB. In college, A&M had a ton of talent but crap coaching and look what happened. Texas for years had top talent and crap coaching and sucked. Same with Florida and Miami. They had tons of talent but sucked because of coaching. So Jimmy's and Joe's only go as far as the coaches get you. The x's and o's that the coaches plan involves is highly important. If you Jimmy's to jump in B gap all night and the run in A gap all night you are killing your team... if you blitz wide and the run inside all night, you are killing your team. If you are sending your kids 5 yards up field instead of reading the play and they run past you that's on the coach. You can't coach size and speed. Pro and college are a poor comparison to high school they get to pick their talent HS does not. Granted coaching matters but they can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. No talent, no workee.
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Post by tx20 on Apr 23, 2024 15:41:27 GMT -6
It’s Jimmys and Joes and Gp hasn’t been the same since NAS Ingleside closed. It’s the same shot Flour Bluff would take if CCAD or NAS-CC closed . Not NAS so much. The active duty numbers are small with very small percentage old enough to have high school age children. I know of some extremely talented FB players over the past few years with ties to NAS personnel.
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Post by wfcoyote on Apr 23, 2024 16:45:22 GMT -6
You both may be correct and I remember the Federal government pumping money into the FB system and that Flour Bluff Drill team was the best in the country. NAS does train young pilots and are transferred out when they finish. GP recently lost a coach last year when her husband graduated and Coach Megan Lorbraue was transferred to Jacksonville. They are transferring to Washington at present. She is a Sinton grad and was doing a very good as GP Middle school coach. You also have the Coast Guard training at Flour Bluff. That NROTC drill team at FB was fun to watch,
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Post by wfcoyote on Apr 23, 2024 16:57:56 GMT -6
The Windfall Profit Tax passed in 1980 and GP lost the bidistrct game to a valley team in 1980 and did not make the playoffs in 1981 and 1982. Drilling company’s went bankrupt and service company’s had massive layoffs.
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Post by FB fan on Apr 23, 2024 18:26:25 GMT -6
Not NAS so much. The active duty numbers are small with very small percentage old enough to have high school age children. I know of some extremely talented FB players over the past few years with ties to NAS personnel. There have been some but it's not like being near Fort Hood at all.
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Post by gpballer4life on Apr 23, 2024 19:12:15 GMT -6
I know of some extremely talented FB players over the past few years with ties to NAS personnel. There have been some but it's not like being near Fort Hood at all. It isn’t like being at Fort Hood, but I promise you we always had 5 or 6 major contributors or stars when Inchon was at NAS Ingleside. It was the equivalent of having a whole new community and it makes a big difference. When you mix the talented military kids with the talented kids already in the community it makes a huge difference.
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Post by bubbme on Apr 23, 2024 19:30:42 GMT -6
You both may be correct and I remember the Federal government pumping money into the FB system and that Flour Bluff Drill team was the best in the country. NAS does train young pilots and are transferred out when they finish. GP recently lost a coach last year when her husband graduated and Coach Megan Lorbraue was transferred to Jacksonville. They are transferring to Washington at present. She is a Sinton grad and was doing a very good as GP Middle school coach. You also have the Coast Guard training at Flour Bluff. That NROTC drill team at FB was fun to watch, That FB NJROTC Drill team rocks! As a SV parent, saw them multiple times at our NJROTC events.
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Post by picodegallo on Apr 23, 2024 19:33:59 GMT -6
The Windfall Profit Tax passed in 1980 and GP lost the bidistrct game to a valley team in 1980 and did not make the playoffs in 1981 and 1982. Drilling company’s went bankrupt and service company’s had massive layoffs. GP was never oilfield like Alice or Kingsville in those days.
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Post by wfcoyote on Apr 23, 2024 20:21:56 GMT -6
Alice nickname “HUB” was because the oil field revolved around Alice. The best work over rig hands came from Alice and they were strong Yote fans. Flournoy and Harkins were just a few of the Drilling companies. Most of the oil patch people in Portland were sales people however BJ and Halliburton had district camps in Corpus. Kingsville was mostly Humble that later became Exxon. They had an engineering office there. The Drilling Rigs are all gone from Alice and the service company’s have moved toward SanAntonio . Victoria has been hit hard with the slowdown of Eagleford. Drilling. My son-in-law is a Farmer and lives in Portland and does have one grandson playing flag football. Farm Boys in Portland don’t seem to be a plus anymore for GP.
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Post by FB fan on Apr 23, 2024 21:15:43 GMT -6
You both may be correct and I remember the Federal government pumping money into the FB system and that Flour Bluff Drill team was the best in the country. NAS does train young pilots and are transferred out when they finish. GP recently lost a coach last year when her husband graduated and Coach Megan Lorbraue was transferred to Jacksonville. They are transferring to Washington at present. She is a Sinton grad and was doing a very good as GP Middle school coach. You also have the Coast Guard training at Flour Bluff. That NROTC drill team at FB was fun to watch, That FB NJROTC Drill team rocks! As a SV parent, saw them multiple times at our NJROTC events. FB has some outstanding extracurricular activities. NJROTC has won state 25 of the last 30 years. The junior high math and science group have won state 38 years in a row.
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Post by FB fan on Apr 23, 2024 21:22:43 GMT -6
There have been some but it's not like being near Fort Hood at all. It isn’t like being at Fort Hood, but I promise you we always had 5 or 6 major contributors or stars when Inchon was at NAS Ingleside. It was the equivalent of having a whole new community and it makes a big difference. When you mix the talented military kids with the talented kids already in the community it makes a huge difference. Ingleside/ships and NAS CC were different types of commands. NAS is about student aviators who are very young single types with a small support/trainer staff. Ingleside had career folks with families.
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