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Post by picodegallo on Oct 14, 2022 11:18:37 GMT -6
So the backstory behind all of this is these kids were on in a youth football team in San Antonio? Kind of like that group that many went over to Cornerstone the last couple of seasons that were on Friday Night Tykes? Correct? Why didn't they go to Cornerstone? Or find a school closer to SA? Speaking of Cornerstone. They must be back to square one because they are 1-6 and pretty much been blasted by everyone including China Spring and Carthage with just win over another church school from Midland. Or, why didn't they simply stay put where they were at? I found out last night that one of them was a freshman at Steele. I was told by a guy in the know that this kid was without a doubt a top 5 athlete to ever play at Steele's feeder middle school and was a straight up stud and likely would start on varsity as a sophomore and probably would have been moved up this year as a freshman and get reps. Now, even though these kids are being allowed to return to their former schools without prejudice from the UIL, I hope our coach tells him that he is sitting out until he is a JR if indeed he decides to return! And you are right that a bunch of them did play on a youth football team as younguns. I'm sick of this kind of thing and if the proof they have is solid then a 3 year ban on San Marcos is more than justified and the coaching staff involved needs to be dealt with severely. This BS NEEDS TO STOP! Correct... Just stupidity on steroids. It's not like most of these kids like the one you mentioned who was headed to Steele would be ignored by big time college recruiters going to whatever school they were supposed to go to in SA if they were truly college material. If they were going to a south side SA or one of the old inner cities like a Jefferson or Lanier, yea it might have been harder for them to get the looks. But at the same time being young, if their parents wanted them to get looks by their Sophomore years, they could've moved somewhere within the SA area and not missed anytime on a varsity roster unless they were that good to belong on one. Now. They can't move anywhere in the entire state to even play 6-man. Unless they go Private for which I wouldn't doubt they go to somewhere like Cornerstone unless they have changed their mojo about recruiting.
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Post by warcat82 on Oct 16, 2022 18:50:59 GMT -6
Knowing all of this now, they need to ban San Marcos for 3 years or allow San Marcos to fire the staff and hire others with a 1 year ban attached still. The coaches should be fired, and have a 3 year post season ban follow them to any school they get hired at. If they wait 3 years to coach again then they can come back without the ban. Yes, I am harsh with these things.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Oct 17, 2022 6:59:09 GMT -6
Knowing all of this now, they need to ban San Marcos for 3 years or allow San Marcos to fire the staff and hire others with a 1 year ban attached still. The coaches should be fired, and have a 3 year post season ban follow them to any school they get hired at. If they wait 3 years to coach again then they can come back without the ban. Yes, I am harsh with these things. Although I agree with you fully, I then think about all the innocent kids that had absolutely nothing to do with it at SM and how that ban would affect them. I agree though that the staff should be terminated as soon as they play their last game. This kind of behavior is the EXACT opposite of what these men are supposed to be teaching these kids!
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Post by picodegallo on Oct 17, 2022 9:56:37 GMT -6
Knowing all of this now, they need to ban San Marcos for 3 years or allow San Marcos to fire the staff and hire others with a 1 year ban attached still. The coaches should be fired, and have a 3 year post season ban follow them to any school they get hired at. If they wait 3 years to coach again then they can come back without the ban. Yes, I am harsh with these things. Although I agree with you fully, I then think about all the innocent kids that had absolutely nothing to do with it at SM and how that ban would affect them. I agree though that the staff should be terminated as soon as they play their last game. This kind of behavior is the EXACT opposite of what these men are supposed to be teaching these kids! I agree and because the HC is also the AD which is now rare in even one high school 6A ISD's, that should allow the ISD to start with a true clean slate. If they don't terminate the staff at season's end, then the punishment should be harsh as Warcat82 suggested. They might look at separating the AD and HC job if they terminate the staff. Large 6A one high school ISD's and growing ones at that have no business in this day and age handling the AD and HC job. Even some 5A's fit this too.
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Post by warcat82 on Oct 17, 2022 10:53:43 GMT -6
Knowing all of this now, they need to ban San Marcos for 3 years or allow San Marcos to fire the staff and hire others with a 1 year ban attached still. The coaches should be fired, and have a 3 year post season ban follow them to any school they get hired at. If they wait 3 years to coach again then they can come back without the ban. Yes, I am harsh with these things. Although I agree with you fully, I then think about all the innocent kids that had absolutely nothing to do with it at SM and how that ban would affect them. I agree though that the staff should be terminated as soon as they play their last game. This kind of behavior is the EXACT opposite of what these men are supposed to be teaching these kids! Yes, the innocent kids do deserve grace and leniency. The schoold district if they fire the staff could have a 1 year probation that goes away if the new staff has no issues. This allows them to be in the playoffs and shows the good kids that being good is rewarded.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Oct 17, 2022 15:19:30 GMT -6
Although I agree with you fully, I then think about all the innocent kids that had absolutely nothing to do with it at SM and how that ban would affect them. I agree though that the staff should be terminated as soon as they play their last game. This kind of behavior is the EXACT opposite of what these men are supposed to be teaching these kids! I agree and because the HC is also the AD which is now rare in even one high school 6A ISD's, that should allow the ISD to start with a true clean slate. If they don't terminate the staff at season's end, then the punishment should be harsh as Warcat82 suggested. They might look at separating the AD and HC job if they terminate the staff. Large 6A one high school ISD's and growing ones at that have no business in this day and age handling the AD and HC job. Even some 5A's fit this too. I am ok with the HC being the AD provided it is a single HS in that school district. I mean, 6a HCs make probably $100k/year avg or more so how do you justify having another 6 figure job with only 1 high school to take care of?
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Post by picodegallo on Oct 17, 2022 15:39:28 GMT -6
I agree and because the HC is also the AD which is now rare in even one high school 6A ISD's, that should allow the ISD to start with a true clean slate. If they don't terminate the staff at season's end, then the punishment should be harsh as Warcat82 suggested. They might look at separating the AD and HC job if they terminate the staff. Large 6A one high school ISD's and growing ones at that have no business in this day and age handling the AD and HC job. Even some 5A's fit this too. I am ok with the HC being the AD provided it is a single HS in that school district. I mean, 6a HCs make probably $100k/year avg or more so how do you justify having another 6 figure job with only 1 high school to take care of? I think even with a one high school ISD at 6A, if you are wanting a well-rounded athletic program it might work best to have a separate AD/HC. Again all that is kind of dependent on how big the ISD is and yes if it's barely 6A, then indeed it can be handled by the HC being AD. You get up there in the upper 2000's and higher with one high school but multiple Middle schools, it can be alot on the plate for the AD to manage
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Post by warcat82 on Oct 17, 2022 16:59:10 GMT -6
I am ok with the HC being the AD provided it is a single HS in that school district. I mean, 6a HCs make probably $100k/year avg or more so how do you justify having another 6 figure job with only 1 high school to take care of? I think even with a one high school ISD at 6A, if you are wanting a well-rounded athletic program it might work best to have a separate AD/HC. Again all that is kind of dependent on how big the ISD is and yes if it's barely 6A, then indeed it can be handled by the HC being AD. You get up there in the upper 2000's and higher with one high school but multiple Middle schools, it can be alot on the plate for the AD to manage Belton, Copperas Cove, and Temple have been that way. Belton just recently split it with the inclusion of Lake Belton High School. I agree with you though that it's a crap ton of work involved to manage at that level with middles schools involved.
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Oct 17, 2022 17:33:22 GMT -6
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Post by BandidoNB on Oct 17, 2022 17:33:22 GMT -6
I think even with a one high school ISD at 6A, if you are wanting a well-rounded athletic program it might work best to have a separate AD/HC. Again all that is kind of dependent on how big the ISD is and yes if it's barely 6A, then indeed it can be handled by the HC being AD. You get up there in the upper 2000's and higher with one high school but multiple Middle schools, it can be alot on the plate for the AD to manage Belton, Copperas Cove, and Temple have been that way. Belton just recently split it with the inclusion of Lake Belton High School. I agree with you though that it's a crap ton of work involved to manage at that level with middles schools involved. New Braunfels also has a separate Athletic Director apart from the Head Coaching job in a single-HS district. But New Braunfels has like 2,900 students. So I guess that falls in line with what you mentioned.
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Post by warcat82 on Oct 17, 2022 18:02:46 GMT -6
Cove and Temple still have joint AD/HC. According to the powers that be in Temple, there are 2 things they are never doing. 1. Building a 2nd high school, 2. Splitting AD/HFC. They gave over half of Temple city limits to Belton ISD to avoid building a 2nd high school. They also gave a considerable portion to Academy school district.... Cove has discussed building a 2nd high school, but have not pulled the trigger yet.
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Post by picodegallo on Oct 26, 2022 8:20:52 GMT -6
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Post by BandidoNB on Oct 26, 2022 9:15:05 GMT -6
It’s not that they are inconsistent; it’s that San Marcos appealed, and to an extent, they were successful. The original DEC decision of a two year ban was implemented, SM appealed, and the new decision is a one year ban for NEXT year, a 5-game suspension for Coach Walsh and a two-year suspension for an assistant coach. The head coaching suspension is effective immediately, which could potentially sabotage this season for San Marcos as well, but SM only has to beat East Central to clinch, and they were probably not winning bidistrict anyway. They could barely beat San Antonio Madison, which won’t advance to the playoffs. How are they going to beat Churchill or Brandeis, who are from the same district?
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Post by warcat82 on Oct 26, 2022 15:47:26 GMT -6
It’s not that they are inconsistent; it’s that San Marcos appealed, and to an extent, they were successful. The original DEC decision of a two year ban was implemented, SM appealed, and the new decision is a one year ban for NEXT year, a 5-game suspension for Coach Walsh and a two-year suspension for an assistant coach. The head coaching suspension is effective immediately, which could potentially sabotage this season for San Marcos as well, but SM only has to beat East Central to clinch, and they were probably not winning bidistrict anyway. They could barely beat San Antonio Madison, which won’t advance to the playoffs. How are they going to beat Churchill or Brandeis, who are from the same district? That head coach needs fired. That entire staff needs fired. If the district will do that, and since the 15 boys are already ineligible, they should take the ban away from the school. Ban the coaches from coaching for 3 years for cheating. Make them take ethics classes, and if they do it again, no more coaching period. The kids not involved should be allowed to compete for playoffs as long as the coaches are all completely gone.
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