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Post by CatFan4Ever on Aug 7, 2022 8:26:56 GMT -6
Of course there's a value in it. It allows coaches to evaluate their kids. It's not there for them to try and win lol. If that's the case, the coach should be fired. Scrimmages are for for (or should be) for coaches evaluating their kids and nothing more. Yep.... if a kid that's not injured doesn't get in at a scrimmage, he should be very concerned because the coach has already decided that the kid is never going to play... As many coaches refer to those kids, they play the AB position ... as in if the step on the field you tell them to get their @$$ back.... lol That's one I hadn't heard before - love it. Almost a Cliburnism. I refer to them as RSE kids - ride the bus, sit the bench, eat the meal
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Post by picodegallo on Aug 7, 2022 8:40:47 GMT -6
We all have a good grasp of scrimmages, that I know. But what I’m looking for is…. Let’s say Carroll scores 3 td’s in 10 plays of 1’s vs. 1’s… in the “no substitution” part of the scrimmage. Is that a problem? Or does the “it’s just a scrimmage” mantra hold? You being a Carroll Homer I’m sure you’d be like kid given an all he can eat allowance at a candy store in that scenario. And we would hear about it until next summer too. Right?
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Post by ccwarcat on Aug 7, 2022 9:13:52 GMT -6
We all have a good grasp of scrimmages, that I know. But what I’m looking for is…. Let’s say Carroll scores 3 td’s in 10 plays of 1’s vs. 1’s… in the “no substitution” part of the scrimmage. Is that a problem? Or does the “it’s just a scrimmage” mantra hold? You being a Carroll Homer I’m sure you’d be like kid given an all he can eat allowance at a candy store in that scenario. And we would hear about it until next summer too. Right? No, it's still just a scrimmage... but that would be somewhat eye opening for sure. I don't suspect that will happen. I'm just pointing out that there can be great value in scrimmages, and things that can be indicative of what type of team both teams have (in any scrimmage not Carroll vs. Cal, specifically). From what I saw in the Carroll intersquad scrimmage, Calallen should have success running the ball and stopping Carroll's offense. But I am liking the plays I've seen from the Tigers. I believe there will be some success, even against a defense like Calallen's.
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Post by Hounhound on Aug 7, 2022 9:23:19 GMT -6
We all have a good grasp of scrimmages, that I know. But what I’m looking for is…. Let’s say Carroll scores 3 td’s in 10 plays of 1’s vs. 1’s… in the “no substitution” part of the scrimmage. Is that a problem? Or does the “it’s just a scrimmage” mantra hold? Never seen a no substitution part of a scrimmage. Carroll is going up against a well know defense in Calallen. But Calallen is still figurin things out as well. So, it's a fluid situation. Now I'd want to see Carroll score several times. But if they don't all is not lost. I will still see where they need work. Same for the defense. Can they keep the opposing offense from scoring. What do we need to work on. Are there any big issues they we need to correct before the next Scrimmage or Game? Bottom line id it doesn't count for anything but two teams trying to find out where they need to improve. There is no Mantra. But some put way more importance or significance on it than needs to be. It's a practice against another team, that's it. IT IS NOT an indicator of how a team will play during the season.
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Post by oldcatnewhornet on Aug 7, 2022 9:50:28 GMT -6
We all have a good grasp of scrimmages, that I know. But what I’m looking for is…. Let’s say Carroll scores 3 td’s in 10 plays of 1’s vs. 1’s… in the “no substitution” part of the scrimmage. Is that a problem? Or does the “it’s just a scrimmage” mantra hold? Never seen a no substitution part of a scrimmage. Carroll is going up against a well know defense in Calallen. But Calallen is still figurin things out as well. So, it's a fluid situation. Now I'd want to see Carroll score several times. But if they don't all is not lost. I will still see where they need work. Same for the defense. Can they keep the opposing offense from scoring. What do we need to work on. Are there any big issues they we need to correct before the next Scrimmage or Game? Bottom line id it doesn't count for anything but two teams trying to find out where they need to improve. There is no Mantra. But some put way more importance or significance on it than needs to be. It's a practice against another team, that's it. IT IS NOT an indicator of how a team will play during the season. The one thing I would worry about is no scores and the other team scores at will
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Post by ccwarcat on Aug 7, 2022 9:58:34 GMT -6
Never seen a no substitution part of a scrimmage. Carroll is going up against a well know defense in Calallen. But Calallen is still figurin things out as well. So, it's a fluid situation. Now I'd want to see Carroll score several times. But if they don't all is not lost. I will still see where they need work. Same for the defense. Can they keep the opposing offense from scoring. What do we need to work on. Are there any big issues they we need to correct before the next Scrimmage or Game? Bottom line id it doesn't count for anything but two teams trying to find out where they need to improve. There is no Mantra. But some put way more importance or significance on it than needs to be. It's a practice against another team, that's it. IT IS NOT an indicator of how a team will play during the season. The one thing I would worry about is no scores and the other team scores at will Agreed.
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Post by Hounhound on Aug 7, 2022 9:58:39 GMT -6
Never seen a no substitution part of a scrimmage. Carroll is going up against a well know defense in Calallen. But Calallen is still figurin things out as well. So, it's a fluid situation. Now I'd want to see Carroll score several times. But if they don't all is not lost. I will still see where they need work. Same for the defense. Can they keep the opposing offense from scoring. What do we need to work on. Are there any big issues they we need to correct before the next Scrimmage or Game? Bottom line id it doesn't count for anything but two teams trying to find out where they need to improve. There is no Mantra. But some put way more importance or significance on it than needs to be. It's a practice against another team, that's it. IT IS NOT an indicator of how a team will play during the season. The one thing I would worry about is no scores and the other team scores at will Just means you have a LOT to work on on both sides of the BALL.
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Post by CalallenTiger54 on Aug 7, 2022 11:19:24 GMT -6
Who does Calallen scrimmage after Carroll?
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Post by marci on Aug 7, 2022 11:58:09 GMT -6
Who does Calallen scrimmage after Carroll? CC Vets
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 8, 2022 9:55:40 GMT -6
Let me put this in simple English. It’s …….. a…..fricken…….scrimmage! We could score 10 TDs and I and 99% of us over here wouldn’t give a chit. It’s about reps and nothing else. You must not pay attention past the nose on your face or you would know Calallen and every 4A school in the state has been practicing for a week. We can’t do spring ball . lol Most good coaches will only run the stuff they are comfortable with a couple times and then spend the remainder of a scrimmage running stuff that they feel is a work in progress! Hell, I can remember watching our studs not even suit out for a damn scrimmage every year. There were anywhere from 3-7 of them who were returning starters who never even suited out for a scrimmage. lmao Smart coaches use scrimmages to look at things (formations, plays, & players) they are not 100% sure of yet.
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Post by picodegallo on Aug 8, 2022 10:08:28 GMT -6
Let me put this in simple English. It’s …….. a…..fricken…….scrimmage! We could score 10 TDs and I and 99% of us over here wouldn’t give a chit. It’s about reps and nothing else. You must not pay attention past the nose on your face or you would know Calallen and every 4A school in the state has been practicing for a week. We can’t do spring ball . lol Most good coaches will only run the stuff they are comfortable with a couple times and then spend the remainder of a scrimmage running stuff that they feel is a work in progress! Hell, I can remember watching our studs not even suit out for a damn scrimmage every year. There were anywhere from 3-7 of them who were returning starters who never even suited out for a scrimmage. lmao Smart coaches use scrimmages to look at things (formations, plays, & players) they are not 100% sure of yet. Yep. The hype and hope some put on scrimmages remind me of the hope we had for the 1989 Cowboys who went 3-1 in NFL Preseason and then went 1-15 in the regular season. Ah, the good ol days! In 2016 when we went to state, we looked horrible in our first scrimmage against CC Ray and looked only a tad better against Rockport. Later in District we played Ray and only beat them 34-6. So yea results of scrimmages sure are a predictor of things to come I guess (rolling eyes).
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Post by Clemensbuff on Aug 8, 2022 10:08:36 GMT -6
Or the other way around. If the coach already knows he has players who are ready to go, he might start them for a series or not at all. Coaches, or at least good ones are looking at kids who can help contribute. They should pretty much already know who their starters are. I think for the most part the starters are set. But finding 1 or 2 starters in the first scrimmage could be the case. It helps when they are going against another team and not their buddies. Exactly The way both Jinks and Lehnhoff ran scrimmages at Steele the starters got 1, maybe 2 series total in both the controlled and live quarter action and the returning studs that were without a doubt the #1s at their positions came out in street clothes!
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Post by Hounhound on Aug 8, 2022 10:47:33 GMT -6
Talked to a former DC today. I work with him. I asked him about scrimmages. He said he would look at battles between kids that were competing for starting spots on the defense. Other than that just depth and technic and trying not to get players injured.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 16:11:36 GMT -6
Some of you read too much into the excitement some of us have for scrimmages. We aren't stupid. We know what a scrimmage is and isn't. But it's HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL BACK. That's the excitement. It's that simple.
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Post by ccwarcat on Aug 8, 2022 17:30:38 GMT -6
Some of you read too much into the excitement some of us have for scrimmages. We aren't stupid. We know what a scrimmage is and isn't. But it's HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL BACK. That's the excitement. It's that simple. Heck yeah man! The CB will have at least one team playing for the next 16+ weeks! That’s a BIG deal!
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