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Post by ccwarcat on Jul 19, 2022 10:37:06 GMT -6
Ok, and FB will just continue to literally do what everyone falsely accuses Vets of doing… and smile. Because, you know, that’s just the way it works around here. But it’s all good, because I’ll be enjoying the fruits of that system in 3 or so years when my FB kids join varsity. There you go comparing FB to CCISD again. If CCISD had open enrollment, Which I don't think a Multi school ISD can do, things could be equal. As long as FB has Open enrollment they are not bending any rules. But Vet's had waivers well after the two years you speak of. You said that yourself. College Station redrew boundaries after the 2020 realignment. But allowed some students to finish HS where they started. This Latest realignment shows what proper planning did when CSHS and Consol both had numbers within 3 students of each other. Now why can't CCISD do the same thing and get all the schools within 50 of each other. I know it would be more difficult balancing 6 vs 2 schools. But Doesn't CCISD have some intelligent folks working there? This should be able to be done. And should have been done when Vet's first OPENED I think it’s somewhat possible to do, and it might need to be done at some point to make all 6 schools 5A2. The issue will always be people moving to the area of the city they want to live in, growth in some areas, and stagnation in other areas. Or maybe let Miller go to 4A1 and get the remaining 5 to 5A1 or 5A2.
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Post by Hounhound on Jul 19, 2022 10:45:47 GMT -6
There you go comparing FB to CCISD again. If CCISD had open enrollment, Which I don't think a Multi school ISD can do, things could be equal. As long as FB has Open enrollment they are not bending any rules. But Vet's had waivers well after the two years you speak of. You said that yourself. College Station redrew boundaries after the 2020 realignment. But allowed some students to finish HS where they started. This Latest realignment shows what proper planning did when CSHS and Consol both had numbers within 3 students of each other. Now why can't CCISD do the same thing and get all the schools within 50 of each other. I know it would be more difficult balancing 6 vs 2 schools. But Doesn't CCISD have some intelligent folks working there? This should be able to be done. And should have been done when Vet's first OPENED I think it’s somewhat possible to do, and it might need to be done at some point to make all 6 schools 5A2. The issue will always be people moving to the area of the city they want to live in, growth in some areas, and stagnation in other areas. Or maybe let Miller go to 4A1 and get the remaining 5 to 5A1 or 5A2. You do know Miller is larger than Moody now. Right? So If they both dropped to 4A1. Then it would be easier to balance Ray, King, Carroll and Vet's. If they land in 5A2 or 5A1 as long as they were all the same.
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Post by picodegallo on Jul 19, 2022 11:50:50 GMT -6
There you go comparing FB to CCISD again. If CCISD had open enrollment, Which I don't think a Multi school ISD can do, things could be equal. As long as FB has Open enrollment they are not bending any rules. But Vet's had waivers well after the two years you speak of. You said that yourself. College Station redrew boundaries after the 2020 realignment. But allowed some students to finish HS where they started. This Latest realignment shows what proper planning did when CSHS and Consol both had numbers within 3 students of each other. Now why can't CCISD do the same thing and get all the schools within 50 of each other. I know it would be more difficult balancing 6 vs 2 schools. But Doesn't CCISD have some intelligent folks working there? This should be able to be done. And should have been done when Vet's first OPENED I think it’s somewhat possible to do, and it might need to be done at some point to make all 6 schools 5A2. The issue will always be people moving to the area of the city they want to live in, growth in some areas, and stagnation in other areas. Or maybe let Miller go to 4A1 and get the remaining 5 to 5A1 or 5A2. With six high schools, there is no reason Vets should be a 5A D1 school right now or immediate future. Much of the growth on the Southside is now in the London ISD for one. Look at this map below. The Carroll Zone as it stands right now is built out. Vets is getting close to it to save for some land on Yorktown going towards to OSO, but it has a higher cost to build on because of flood mitigation. The CCISD is going to have to give some of Vets attendance zone that's the South of Carrol down to Yorktown back to them to insure Vets stays below 6A numbers in the future. But as the map shows, much of the growth on the southside is London ISD bound starting at the Botanical Gardens down to Chapman Ranch. oaa.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=582c1f1d8c01435bbd7b73dcf23174a6
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Post by CalallenTiger54 on Jul 19, 2022 13:32:05 GMT -6
I think it’s somewhat possible to do, and it might need to be done at some point to make all 6 schools 5A2. The issue will always be people moving to the area of the city they want to live in, growth in some areas, and stagnation in other areas. Or maybe let Miller go to 4A1 and get the remaining 5 to 5A1 or 5A2. With six high schools, there is no reason Vets should be a 5A D1 school right now or immediate future. Much of the growth on the Southside is now in the London ISD for one. Look at this map below. The Carroll Zone as it stands right now is built out. Vets is getting close to it to save for some land on Yorktown going towards to OSO, but it has a higher cost to build on because of flood mitigation. The CCISD is going to have to give some of Vets attendance zone that's the South of Carrol down to Yorktown back to them to insure Vets stays below 6A numbers in the future. But as the map shows, much of the growth on the southside is London ISD bound starting at the Botanical Gardens down to Chapman Ranch. oaa.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=582c1f1d8c01435bbd7b73dcf23174a6That is an old map. The boundaries for Carroll, Vets, and Moody have changed.
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Post by CalallenTiger54 on Jul 19, 2022 13:35:08 GMT -6
Carrol has the #1 school in all of CC, the #1 facilities in all of CC, a huge investment in brand new coaches (including 2 or 3 that have moved to Carroll from Vets), and all the hype/excitement that goes with the newness of it all… they most definitely have the support of CCISD. All CCISD schools are at the 5A2 level at a minimum. That’s PLENTY big enough to create a successful football team, locally. How do I know? Just look at Flour Bluff. Look at GP. Heck, look at Calallen. All of these teams are local to Corpus Christi. And all have success with the same numbers (or even less numbers in Calallen’s case). The lack of success at Ray, King, Moody, and Carroll has nothing to do with anything other than lack of buy in by the kids, and coaching. Period. How do I know that? Look at Miller. They bought in, they got themselves a difference-maker of a coach. BAM… success. It’s not that hard. Carroll is primed for success. Will they get there? That’s on the kids to buy in… and the coaches to sell the buy in. Your opinion which is fine and good But to be realistic it’s going to take some athletes too. Even you have to admit that. Athlete to athlete Carroll can compete. The line on both sides of the ball has been the biggest problem. This years senior class at Carroll for instance, when they left Grant, most of the skill position players went to Carroll and the lineman went to Vets. At that time Grant area kids had a choice to between Vets and Carroll. You can’t win without a line. I’m not saying Carroll would have been dominant but they would’ve had a few wins.
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Post by CalallenTiger54 on Jul 19, 2022 14:11:15 GMT -6
Statements like that make you have no credibility. We live here, we like and watch high school football. We know what the CCISD teams were for years and years and we saw what CCISD and CCVM did to them. You denying what we know doesn't change anything. Pretty sure we did a little exercise on CCISD a couple few weeks ago. Teams not named Vets and recently Miller have been terrible for 20 years (Carrol had a little success in the late 1990’s) and another 40 years beyond that. And even when there was success, it was minimal (Round 2 type of success) and very few and far between. So tell me again how all CCISD schools were killing it…. I’d love to hear that dream. Vets has the advantage of open enrollment(now closed), weak district, and weak playoff opponents. Previously when Carroll was the strongest team in Corpus, they had a tougher district. San Antonio schools were in the district sometimes and there was one less high in Corpus to draw talent away from the other schools. The games between King, Ray, and Carroll were much more competitive. Then whoever won the district would end up playing a San Antonio team within two games of the playoffs. Look at the year Vets played Wagner. Wagner student population size was similar to Vets. They also had athletes. Vets managed to stay down and in 5a and took advantage of it with a weaker district and playoff opponents. Nothing wrong with it just the facts.
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Post by ccwarcat on Jul 19, 2022 14:33:36 GMT -6
Pretty sure we did a little exercise on CCISD a couple few weeks ago. Teams not named Vets and recently Miller have been terrible for 20 years (Carrol had a little success in the late 1990’s) and another 40 years beyond that. And even when there was success, it was minimal (Round 2 type of success) and very few and far between. So tell me again how all CCISD schools were killing it…. I’d love to hear that dream. Vets has the advantage of open enrollment(now closed), weak district, and weak playoff opponents. Previously when Carroll was the strongest team in Corpus, they had a tougher district. San Antonio schools were in the district sometimes and there was one less high in Corpus to draw talent away from the other schools. The games between King, Ray, and Carroll were much more competitive. Then whoever won the district would end up playing a San Antonio team within two games of the playoffs. Look at the year Vets played Wagner. Wagner student population size was similar to Vets. They also had athletes. Vets managed to stay down and in 5a and took advantage of it with a weaker district and playoff opponents. Nothing wrong with it just the facts. You don’t have to look to Round 4 against Wagner to find an SA playoff opponent for Vets. There are SA Vets, SA Harlan, SA Southwest, and SA Southwest Legacy…. All in Round 2 or 3… and all CC Vets wins. If that’s not good enough, you can also find SA Churchill in the regular season, twice… both Vets wins too.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Jul 19, 2022 15:04:11 GMT -6
Vets has the advantage of open enrollment(now closed), weak district, and weak playoff opponents. Previously when Carroll was the strongest team in Corpus, they had a tougher district. San Antonio schools were in the district sometimes and there was one less high in Corpus to draw talent away from the other schools. The games between King, Ray, and Carroll were much more competitive. Then whoever won the district would end up playing a San Antonio team within two games of the playoffs. Look at the year Vets played Wagner. Wagner student population size was similar to Vets. They also had athletes. Vets managed to stay down and in 5a and took advantage of it with a weaker district and playoff opponents. Nothing wrong with it just the facts. You don’t have to look to Round 4 against Wagner to find an SA playoff opponent for Vets. There are SA Vets, SA Harlan, SA Southwest, and SA Southwest Legacy…. All in Round 2 or 3… and all CC Vets wins. If that’s not good enough, you can also find SA Churchill in the regular season, twice… both Vets wins too. Dude, you cannot be serious with this again! NONE of the 5a schools you listed here have EVER done anything in the playoffs and SA Churchill has been bad, really bad outside of 2016 and even then when they made it to the regional finals they were whooped seriously bad. SA VM, Harlan, & SW Legacy have 12 total years playing varsity football when added up together and a total playoff record of 7-10 in the playoffs! SA Southwest has been around FOREVER and has NEVER been past the 3rd round of the playoffs EVER and is 12-23 overall in the playoffs. Stop acting like CCVM beat anyone good from SA because they HAVE NOT.
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Post by picodegallo on Jul 19, 2022 15:06:39 GMT -6
With six high schools, there is no reason Vets should be a 5A D1 school right now or immediate future. Much of the growth on the Southside is now in the London ISD for one. Look at this map below. The Carroll Zone as it stands right now is built out. Vets is getting close to it to save for some land on Yorktown going towards to OSO, but it has a higher cost to build on because of flood mitigation. The CCISD is going to have to give some of Vets attendance zone that's the South of Carrol down to Yorktown back to them to insure Vets stays below 6A numbers in the future. But as the map shows, much of the growth on the southside is London ISD bound starting at the Botanical Gardens down to Chapman Ranch. oaa.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=582c1f1d8c01435bbd7b73dcf23174a6That is an old map. The boundaries for Carroll, Vets, and Moody have changed. That was the latest map on the CCISD website. Applicable until 2022 it says. Didn't see a revision
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Post by ccwarcat on Jul 19, 2022 15:53:42 GMT -6
You don’t have to look to Round 4 against Wagner to find an SA playoff opponent for Vets. There are SA Vets, SA Harlan, SA Southwest, and SA Southwest Legacy…. All in Round 2 or 3… and all CC Vets wins. If that’s not good enough, you can also find SA Churchill in the regular season, twice… both Vets wins too. Dude, you cannot be serious with this again! NONE of the 5a schools you listed here have EVER done anything in the playoffs and SA Churchill has been bad, really bad outside of 2016 and even then when they made it to the regional finals they were whooped seriously bad. SA VM, Harlan, & SW Legacy have 12 total years playing varsity football when added up together and a total playoff record of 7-10 in the playoffs! SA Southwest has been around FOREVER and has NEVER been past the 3rd round of the playoffs EVER and is 12-23 overall in the playoffs. Stop acting like CCVM beat anyone good from SA because they HAVE NOT. I'm comparing CC Vets to CC Carroll now. New guy is saying CC Carroll got bumped in Round 2 because that's when they started facing SA teams. I'm telling him CC Vets has faced several SA teams in Round 2, Round 3, and Round 4 (Wagner loss)... and even in the regular season. Just another Vets attacker I'm fending off. LOL
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Post by CalallenTiger54 on Jul 19, 2022 16:14:58 GMT -6
That is an old map. The boundaries for Carroll, Vets, and Moody have changed. That was the latest map on the CCISD website. Applicable until 2022 it says. Didn't see a revision Carroll’s boundaries are from Staples to Ayer’s to SPID now. The new boundaries which have been in place for a couple of years helped Vets keep enrollment down. I’ve seen quite a few kid on the south side going to Flour Bluff and London.
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Post by CalallenTiger54 on Jul 19, 2022 16:22:56 GMT -6
Dude, you cannot be serious with this again! NONE of the 5a schools you listed here have EVER done anything in the playoffs and SA Churchill has been bad, really bad outside of 2016 and even then when they made it to the regional finals they were whooped seriously bad. SA VM, Harlan, & SW Legacy have 12 total years playing varsity football when added up together and a total playoff record of 7-10 in the playoffs! SA Southwest has been around FOREVER and has NEVER been past the 3rd round of the playoffs EVER and is 12-23 overall in the playoffs. Stop acting like CCVM beat anyone good from SA because they HAVE NOT. I'm comparing CC Vets to CC Carroll now. New guy is saying CC Carroll got bumped in Round 2 because that's when they started facing SA teams. I'm telling him CC Vets has faced several SA teams in Round 2, Round 3, and Round 4 (Wagner loss)... and even in the regular season. Just another Vets attacker I'm fending off. LOL I wasn’t attacking Vets at all. In my opinion they’re the team to beat. Vets, GP, Bluff, and Calallen are the best teams down here. There are advantages to being in South Texas. Look at Calallen, their bi district games have always been against a valley teams . Same as Vets though, when you go north and East it gets tough. I think Wagner is back down in 5a, curious to see how that is going to play out. I’m not positive on this but those San Antonio south side schools aren’t perennial powers.
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Post by sotex on Jul 19, 2022 16:26:29 GMT -6
Vets has the advantage of open enrollment(now closed), weak district, and weak playoff opponents. Previously when Carroll was the strongest team in Corpus, they had a tougher district. San Antonio schools were in the district sometimes and there was one less high in Corpus to draw talent away from the other schools. The games between King, Ray, and Carroll were much more competitive. Then whoever won the district would end up playing a San Antonio team within two games of the playoffs. Look at the year Vets played Wagner. Wagner student population size was similar to Vets. They also had athletes. Vets managed to stay down and in 5a and took advantage of it with a weaker district and playoff opponents. Nothing wrong with it just the facts. You don’t have to look to Round 4 against Wagner to find an SA playoff opponent for Vets. There are SA Vets, SA Harlan, SA Southwest, and SA Southwest Legacy…. All in Round 2 or 3… and all CC Vets wins. If that’s not good enough, you can also find SA Churchill in the regular season, twice… both Vets wins too. Lol those particular San Antonio teams are really weak. Ray and King would play them close lmao.
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Post by ccwarcat on Jul 19, 2022 16:38:33 GMT -6
I'm comparing CC Vets to CC Carroll now. New guy is saying CC Carroll got bumped in Round 2 because that's when they started facing SA teams. I'm telling him CC Vets has faced several SA teams in Round 2, Round 3, and Round 4 (Wagner loss)... and even in the regular season. Just another Vets attacker I'm fending off. LOL I wasn’t attacking Vets at all. In my opinion they’re the team to beat. Vets, GP, Bluff, and Calallen are the best teams down here. There are advantages to being in South Texas. Look at Calallen, their bi district games have always been against a valley teams . Same as Vets though, when you go north and East it gets tough. I think Wagner is back down in 5a, curious to see how that is going to play out. I’m not positive on this but those San Antonio south side schools aren’t perennial powers. Sorry about that. By your post count I’m assuming you’re new here. For about 5 years straight… maybe more… this whole forum is all about bashing Vets and CCISD. I’m out here alone… slaying away like a samurai. Sorry for the collateral damage. Lol
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Post by oldcatnewhornet on Jul 19, 2022 16:52:03 GMT -6
I think it’s somewhat possible to do, and it might need to be done at some point to make all 6 schools 5A2. The issue will always be people moving to the area of the city they want to live in, growth in some areas, and stagnation in other areas. Or maybe let Miller go to 4A1 and get the remaining 5 to 5A1 or 5A2. You do know Miller is larger than Moody now. Right? So If they both dropped to 4A1. Then it would be easier to balance Ray, King, Carroll and Vet's. If they land in 5A2 or 5A1 as long as they were all the same. I’ve always heard Miller has to count their working kids? Is that true? Moody is losing students every year.
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