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Post by Hounhound on Jul 21, 2021 19:58:12 GMT -6
Need more schools in 4A not less. currently there are 245 in 6A and 251 in 5A. Then it drops to 181 in 4A. If the cap for 6A and 5A was 225 schools then there would be an average of 6.25 schools per District for 32 districts. Then you could divide that in two for D1 and 2. that should be enough to help 4A increase to an even footing. Also the UIL should hold fast against the schools opting up. Agree. Put it on the multi school ISD to balance their enrollments or play where they land. College Station ISD rezoned right before the last realignment trying to get CSHS and Consol in the same district. Consol fell just short of 5AD1 and stayed in their 5aD2 district.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Jul 22, 2021 5:17:43 GMT -6
So what 6a and small 1a teams have done it for MANY years. why can't big schools with a ton more $ do it? Big schools have more money... and more expenses. Not every school is rich like Allen just because they are big lmao. Exactly my point. So if small schools find a way to do it, why the hell can't a big one? Leave the number crunching to others more suited for it.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Jul 22, 2021 5:19:04 GMT -6
at last alignment there were over 100 schools with right at 2900 & up. I would suspect there are at least 100 of them now with 3000 or more. Move those all up into 7a and then bust 6a up into D1 & D2 predistrict just like the rest. Move the cutoff number down a little and move more 5a D1 schools into 6a D2 and it will help out both 5a and 6a IMO to a little more equality and fairness especially since 5a has more schools than any other. Yep. And it's going to continue to grow.
The amount of growth in the Metro areas right now is just ridiculous, and it's not stopping anytime soon. 7A will happen sooner or later. Make 6A have pre split divisions like the rest of us have (something I always wished they had when we were up there), and just leave 7A with 1 Division for now.
People saying we have too many state champions now a days are ridiculous as well IMO. We have 12 state champions, with 1,361 schools as of last cutoff. Back when we had 1 state champion per class (for all classes) back in 1986/1987 (since this is the furthest back I can find so far), we had only 955 schools. The timing back then was right to add two champions for each class, and the time to add a Class 7A has definitely come.
Exactly right on all points
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Post by flowtowntigers on Jul 22, 2021 8:41:49 GMT -6
Time to just go back to the 60-70s where you just had city championship for the large schools.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Jul 22, 2021 10:52:37 GMT -6
Time to just go back to the 60-70s where you just had city championship for the large schools. ah hell........ just get rid of all classifications and let them all battle it out. Refugio versus Allen for the next state title game.
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Post by Hounhound on Jul 22, 2021 11:05:20 GMT -6
Class 6A - 245 Enrollment 2220 and up Class 5A - 251 D1 1922-2219 D2 1230-1921 Class 4A - 188 D1 880-1229 D2 515-879 Class 3A - 211 D1 350-514 D2 230-349 Class 2A - 189 D1 165.5-229 D2 105-165.4
Going into the 2021 season this is the number of 11 man schools currently in Texas per Classification and Division. I just don't get how 4A is the smallest 11 man classification in the state when it is the 3rd largest. I am not complaining about the enrollments. but those would change a little to balance the numbers with the rest of the classifications.
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Post by picodegallo on Jul 22, 2021 11:07:57 GMT -6
A school with an enrollment of 2500 is in much better position to be competitive with a school almost double of their enrollment on a year to year basis vs some the disparity you see or have seen in the lower classes.
Westlake, Lake Travis, Cibilo Steele, and a few others have held their own just fine against the bigger schools in 6A as it stands now. At least in football, you have more than enough of a pool of potential talent to tap into to have a solid two deep on both sides of the ball with kids who could start or get significant playing time in most program including powers not only across the state, but the nation as well.
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Post by flowtowntigers on Jul 22, 2021 12:22:06 GMT -6
Time to just go back to the 60-70s where you just had city championship for the large schools. ah hell........ just get rid of all classifications and let them all battle it out. Refugio versus Allen for the next state title game. Well if we're going that route let's just go full bore. No HS school district boundaries, add NIL rights for HS players. Best talent to the highest bidder.
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Post by rtxc1 on Jul 22, 2021 16:33:58 GMT -6
I counted 1136 2A-6A schools. That's an average of 227 schools per conference. With 7A, that number goes down to 189. There aren't enough schools to make it work. There's just too much of a disparity in 4A enrollments that is only increasing. That is what makes everything so difficult. Remember, less schools per conference means increased travel, which is why people don't like split divisions now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 18:21:40 GMT -6
I counted 1136 2A-6A schools. That's an average of 227 schools per conference. With 7A, that number goes down to 189. There aren't enough schools to make it work. There's just too much of a disparity in 4A enrollments that is only increasing. That is what makes everything so difficult. Remember, less schools per conference means increased travel, which is why people don't like split divisions now. Shut your mouth. You are gonna ruin clemensbuff's "math" and he doesn't like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 18:22:34 GMT -6
I counted 1136 2A-6A schools. That's an average of 227 schools per conference. With 7A, that number goes down to 189. There aren't enough schools to make it work. There's just too much of a disparity in 4A enrollments that is only increasing. That is what makes everything so difficult. Remember, less schools per conference means increased travel, which is why people don't like split divisions now. Also increased travel and expenses is no big deal according to clemensbuff. You need to stop talking.
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Post by gpking on Jul 22, 2021 18:37:30 GMT -6
I feel that High schools should be limited on the enrolment. Some Texas big city schools (Allen) need to be much smaller.
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Post by rtxc1 on Jul 22, 2021 20:28:40 GMT -6
I counted 1136 2A-6A schools. That's an average of 227 schools per conference. With 7A, that number goes down to 189. There aren't enough schools to make it work. There's just too much of a disparity in 4A enrollments that is only increasing. That is what makes everything so difficult. Remember, less schools per conference means increased travel, which is why people don't like split divisions now. I'll add to it, if UIL really wants to clean things up, then it really is as simple as 7A, but the new 4A and 5A would need to be half the size. Split 4A into two completely new conferences due to the enrollment gaps in non-football sports, which would siphon some of the smaller 5A schools and create more balance across the board. Going up to 10A would work if we moved the split divisions into all sports and changed the names, with the possibility of keeping the largest conference around 245 schools.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Jul 23, 2021 5:13:59 GMT -6
I counted 1136 2A-6A schools. That's an average of 227 schools per conference. With 7A, that number goes down to 189. There aren't enough schools to make it work. There's just too much of a disparity in 4A enrollments that is only increasing. That is what makes everything so difficult. Remember, less schools per conference means increased travel, which is why people don't like split divisions now. Also increased travel and expenses is no big deal according to clemensbuff. You need to stop talking. It's actually comical as hell that you of all people on this forum are against doing something that would make it more fair to many schools since you whine more than anyone else about such things. Especially pointing towards the 'more cost' part of the equation. lol
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Post by AledoAlumni on Jul 23, 2021 6:02:11 GMT -6
Also increased travel and expenses is no big deal according to clemensbuff. You need to stop talking. It's actually comical as hell that you of all people on this forum are against doing something that would make it more fair to many schools since you whine more than anyone else about such things. Especially pointing towards the 'more cost' part of the equation. lol Take it easy on the guy. The school he use to support and play for was millions of dollars in debt (I think they are past that??? ). He knows money dont grow on trees.
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