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Post by theside on Dec 12, 2020 16:38:24 GMT -6
SA Roosevelt stuns the Rockets!
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Post by raidercatphenomsmellmyown on Dec 12, 2020 16:55:04 GMT -6
This is a huge upset in my mind!! Judson is loaded with size and speed and should be killing everybody. I think the two best teams left in SA are SV and Brennan, with Johnson coming in 3rd. Crazy crazy year.
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Post by theside on Dec 12, 2020 20:08:39 GMT -6
This is a huge upset in my mind!! Judson is loaded with size and speed and should be killing everybody. I think the two best teams left in SA are SV and Brennan, with Johnson coming in 3rd. Crazy crazy year. Indeed! Quite the shocker.
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Post by flowtowntigers on Dec 13, 2020 13:08:59 GMT -6
Upsets galore in 6A R4
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Post by Clemensbuff on Dec 14, 2020 9:04:56 GMT -6
The writing was on the wall from the game Judson played the week before against SV.
They were playing for an outright district title and yet they were emotionless on the field and just full of mistakes.
This has been the footprint of Judson Rocket Football the last 10+ years or even longer. They are now the complete opposite of what they used to be. Back in their hay day if you played Judson you wanted it to be early in the year, not in the playoffs. Now they start off hot and finish cold. Heck, just a couple years ago they started the season off beating LT and then a few months later LT smashed them in the playoffs.
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Post by picodegallo on Dec 14, 2020 9:08:35 GMT -6
The writing was on the wall from the game Judson played the week before against SV. They were playing for an outright district title and yet they were emotionless on the field and just full of mistakes. This has been the footprint of Judson Rocket Football the last 10+ years or even longer. They are now the complete opposite of what they used to be. Back in their hay day if you played Judson you wanted it to be early in the year, not in the playoffs. Now they start off hot and finish cold. Heck, just a couple years ago they started the season off beating LT and then a few months later LT smashed them in the playoffs. Now I understand why Judson lost players to Cornerstone and few other schools. The sun is setting on the Empire in Converse.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Dec 14, 2020 9:25:28 GMT -6
The writing was on the wall from the game Judson played the week before against SV. They were playing for an outright district title and yet they were emotionless on the field and just full of mistakes. This has been the footprint of Judson Rocket Football the last 10+ years or even longer. They are now the complete opposite of what they used to be. Back in their hay day if you played Judson you wanted it to be early in the year, not in the playoffs. Now they start off hot and finish cold. Heck, just a couple years ago they started the season off beating LT and then a few months later LT smashed them in the playoffs. Now I understand why Judson lost players to Cornerstone and few other schools. The sun is setting on the Empire in Converse. It's crazy Pico but Judson still has the most talent hands down of any team in R4...ANY TEAM. They have a stud RB, 3 D1 O-lineman, and several kids on D that will play power 5 football including a couple sophomores and another couple great D-linemen. They are now the 2nd smallest enrollment in the district just ahead of Wagner and still have talent oozing out of every seam.
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Post by picodegallo on Dec 14, 2020 9:45:26 GMT -6
Now I understand why Judson lost players to Cornerstone and few other schools. The sun is setting on the Empire in Converse. It's crazy Pico but Judson still has the most talent hands down of any team in R4...ANY TEAM. They have a stud RB, 3 D1 O-lineman, and several kids on D that will play power 5 football including a couple sophomores and another couple great D-linemen. They are now the 2nd smallest enrollment in the district just ahead of Wagner and still have talent oozing out of every seam. I would hope with 2500 students they would still have some talent in large numbers.. I think what splitting up Judson finally did was show the super schools benefit with a larger pool and at the same time it's actually not doing some kids the best service as they could be starting or getting significant playing time had another option or two been available within their ISD boundaries. The trouble with splits is how the school adapts with their feeders and all of that and of course the continutnity of a good coaching staff, etc. One day it will happen at Allen as much as the Allen folks swear it won't.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Dec 14, 2020 10:58:46 GMT -6
It's crazy Pico but Judson still has the most talent hands down of any team in R4...ANY TEAM. They have a stud RB, 3 D1 O-lineman, and several kids on D that will play power 5 football including a couple sophomores and another couple great D-linemen. They are now the 2nd smallest enrollment in the district just ahead of Wagner and still have talent oozing out of every seam. I would hope with 2500 students they would still have some talent in large numbers.. I think what splitting up Judson finally did was show the super schools benefit with a larger pool and at the same time it's actually not doing some kids the best service as they could be starting or getting significant playing time had another option or two been available within their ISD boundaries. The trouble with splits is how the school adapts with their feeders and all of that and of course the continutnity of a good coaching staff, etc. One day it will happen at Allen as much as the Allen folks swear it won't. Well, Allen is up to 6959 the last realignment and still saying there is no way they will be split up so we will have to see about that. lol Plano, Plano East, and Plano west are all still WAY larger enrollment than Judson ever was and haven't won squat the last 15 years so although larger numbers definitely can help, it is not everything by any means. There is no doubt that Judson did benefit from their numbers over the years with depth on their team but they won those titles by just flat outplaying other teams because I don't think there was any championship year where anyone can claim they were the team with the most talent. Rutledge is one of the absolutely best HSFB coaches to ever live and got the most out of every kid on the team whether it was a star starter or a 3rd team senior backup.
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Post by bluecat on Dec 14, 2020 16:21:59 GMT -6
This is no different than what happened when the new Vets school opened in Corpus. When they opened they had open enrollment and kids from the whole city ran over to Vets. The Volleyball team had a girl driving from Driscoll everyday. Look what it did to Carroll, Ray and King once many of their best players left for Vets.
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Post by picodegallo on Dec 15, 2020 1:14:56 GMT -6
This is no different than what happened when the new Vets school opened in Corpus. When they opened they had open enrollment and kids from the whole city ran over to Vets. The Volleyball team had a girl driving from Driscoll everyday. Look what it did to Carroll, Ray and King once many of their best players left for Vets. The CCISD schools were already struggling on the football field way before Vets opened thanks to decades of neglecting their feeders and hiring some questionable coaches for HC jobs. I mean they would flat out get humiliated in the playoffs when they faced the San Antonio teams and sometimes it was the Tier 2 teams and not the Jusdons, Steeles,etc. It was Jays, East Central, etc doing the humiliating. Opening Vets put that decline in overdrive and pretty much decimated their other sports in both boys and girls sports. Now some of the non football sports are doing better now in 5a, but none of them have a well rounded program where they are competitive not only local, but Regionally in most of their offerings.
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Post by flowtowntigers on Dec 16, 2020 9:51:37 GMT -6
Judson Rockets are clearly not the same quality of teams from the 1990s or early 2000s. The addition of two new schools in the ISD has cut their talent pool for sure. Judson HS is now in the mostly built-out area of the ISD, the growth is most likely in the Veterans Memorial HS area closer to 1604/35 areas. I know several people in the Converse area and historically they claim the talent always came from Kirby which is now part of Wagner HS.
Also, the growth of San Antonio has shifted to the North/Northwest and into the New Braunfels area since 2000. Probably about a 6-8 HS have opened in those parts of SA since 2000. Just another issue that has affected Judson's talent pool.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Dec 16, 2020 14:32:34 GMT -6
You are correct Flowtown but I will add to it that the socio-economic demographics have changed dramatically at Judson in the last 10 years and even more so since the opening of the newest school Vets Memorial since that school took a ton of Judson's former kids that lived in UC, Olympia Hills, and the Selma area and on the north side of IH35.
But, if you have been to a Judson game in the last 4-6 years, including this year as well, it is not hard to see that there is still a TON of size and speed on the field for them. 3 of their starting 5 on the O-line are going Div1, the RB is the best in R4 and going to a power 5 school most likely, and they probably have 6 or 7 more that will go D1 in the next two years that were playing for them this year. The talent is still there to a point of putting just as many or more kids in major College FB now as they did in their biggest hay days!
Go over to the 6a board and read that game thread from last week. The Judson posters are up in arms and demanding the HC's head on a platter pretty much. They are tired of the undisciplined play on the field.
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