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Post by theside on Mar 3, 2020 13:29:10 GMT -6
That depends on your definition of a "true winning program" if you don't think certain teams recruit you haven't been paying attention close enough. People can say what they want but I've seen it first hand and so have others. Name them and show proof. Otherwise it's just lip service. I don't have to show any proof. I guess you are not as informed on TX Highschool ball as we thought. Unless you are just jibbering for he sake of argument! Can you imagine someone believing none of these schools are recruiting? 😂
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 14:00:09 GMT -6
He has a point about media coverage helping facilitate transfers even if that's not what the media is intending. Media should cater to all programs not just the elite ones. Judson shouldnt get any more local coverage than S.A. Kennedy should. No doubt that teams that get more coverage benefit from 'move-ins' much more than those that are not. Only a moron would argue that. So if you say the media should cater to losing programs as much as those that win, how do you propose to do that, by ceasing to cover teams once they are past the 1st round of the playoffs, 2nd, 3rd, or maybe once the regional finals are over? Before you take my last statement to literal understand that I realize that isn't going to happen, nor should it. But you also need to realize that if you are the last team or two standing from an city or area then you damn sure earned some additional coverage. Don't you think? With nearly 50 5a & 6a programs in the SA area of course the ones who've won the most are going to get the most 'air time' I don't see why that is wrong or why it should change at all. Hell, I'm old enough to remember when Lee HS dominated the media coverage in SA, then came John Jay, Churchill, Holmes, and finally Judson. But you better realize that Judson had to earn that because you didn't read a damn thing about them back in the early 80s until they knocked out Holmes or Churchill from the playoffs. It was no different for Steele back in 2010 before they knocked Mac out in the region final, then in 2011 with Reagan in the same game! Hell, even in 2016 when Churchill made it back they enjoyed more coverage on local media than Steele did even though everybody who knew HSFB realized how big of a mis-match that game was going to be. SA has always had their media darlings and in 5a that is Alamo Heights...….always has been and always will be. Look, the bottom line is when you win often and big, you are going to enjoy the benefit of more coverage and to me that is called earning it.
Let me ask you this question and you answer it honestly...……, theside, I'd like you to answer it as well. Chino, theside, & clemensbuff all work at the same company doing the exact same job. Chino produces 115% of his expected Net Profit NP average the past 10 yrs theside produces 100% of his expected Net Profit NP average the past 10 yrs clemensbuff produces 80% of his expected Net Profit NP average the past 10 yrs Should we all make the same salary??? Your analogies are irrelevant. This isn't First Take or Around The Horn choosing what teams to cover for ratings. This is local news and high school football. And we aren't talking playoffs. Obviously you are gonna cover the teams that are left and not the ones that are eliminated. You reached with that playoff example. I stand behind my statement. Judson should get no more media coverage than a S.A. Kennedy type school. Local news should give love to all the teams not just the elite.
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Post by theside on Mar 3, 2020 14:26:37 GMT -6
No doubt that teams that get more coverage benefit from 'move-ins' much more than those that are not. Only a moron would argue that. So if you say the media should cater to losing programs as much as those that win, how do you propose to do that, by ceasing to cover teams once they are past the 1st round of the playoffs, 2nd, 3rd, or maybe once the regional finals are over? Before you take my last statement to literal understand that I realize that isn't going to happen, nor should it. But you also need to realize that if you are the last team or two standing from an city or area then you damn sure earned some additional coverage. Don't you think? With nearly 50 5a & 6a programs in the SA area of course the ones who've won the most are going to get the most 'air time' I don't see why that is wrong or why it should change at all. Hell, I'm old enough to remember when Lee HS dominated the media coverage in SA, then came John Jay, Churchill, Holmes, and finally Judson. But you better realize that Judson had to earn that because you didn't read a damn thing about them back in the early 80s until they knocked out Holmes or Churchill from the playoffs. It was no different for Steele back in 2010 before they knocked Mac out in the region final, then in 2011 with Reagan in the same game! Hell, even in 2016 when Churchill made it back they enjoyed more coverage on local media than Steele did even though everybody who knew HSFB realized how big of a mis-match that game was going to be. SA has always had their media darlings and in 5a that is Alamo Heights...….always has been and always will be. Look, the bottom line is when you win often and big, you are going to enjoy the benefit of more coverage and to me that is called earning it.
Let me ask you this question and you answer it honestly...……, theside, I'd like you to answer it as well. Chino, theside, & clemensbuff all work at the same company doing the exact same job. Chino produces 115% of his expected Net Profit NP average the past 10 yrs theside produces 100% of his expected Net Profit NP average the past 10 yrs clemensbuff produces 80% of his expected Net Profit NP average the past 10 yrs Should we all make the same salary??? Your analogies are irrelevant. This isn't First Take or Around The Horn choosing what teams to cover for ratings. This is local news and high school football. And we aren't talking playoffs. Obviously you are gonna cover the teams that are left and not the ones that are eliminated. You reached with that playoff example. I stand behind my statement. Judson should get no more media coverage than a S.A. Kennedy type school. Local news should give love to all the teams not just the elite. And to further this statement like the poster above said Judson did not want to be called SA Judson they wanted to be called Converse Judson. School like Kennedy, Brack, etc.. are in the actual metro area of the 7th largest city in the United States.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 14:57:57 GMT -6
Name them and show proof. Otherwise it's just lip service. I don't have to show any proof. I guess you are not as informed on TX Highschool ball as we thought. Unless you are just jibbering for he sake of argument! Can you imagine someone believing none of these schools are recruiting? 😂 Just Southside.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Mar 4, 2020 15:12:07 GMT -6
No doubt that teams that get more coverage benefit from 'move-ins' much more than those that are not. Only a moron would argue that. So if you say the media should cater to losing programs as much as those that win, how do you propose to do that, by ceasing to cover teams once they are past the 1st round of the playoffs, 2nd, 3rd, or maybe once the regional finals are over? Before you take my last statement to literal understand that I realize that isn't going to happen, nor should it. But you also need to realize that if you are the last team or two standing from an city or area then you damn sure earned some additional coverage. Don't you think? With nearly 50 5a & 6a programs in the SA area of course the ones who've won the most are going to get the most 'air time' I don't see why that is wrong or why it should change at all. Hell, I'm old enough to remember when Lee HS dominated the media coverage in SA, then came John Jay, Churchill, Holmes, and finally Judson. But you better realize that Judson had to earn that because you didn't read a damn thing about them back in the early 80s until they knocked out Holmes or Churchill from the playoffs. It was no different for Steele back in 2010 before they knocked Mac out in the region final, then in 2011 with Reagan in the same game! Hell, even in 2016 when Churchill made it back they enjoyed more coverage on local media than Steele did even though everybody who knew HSFB realized how big of a mis-match that game was going to be. SA has always had their media darlings and in 5a that is Alamo Heights...….always has been and always will be. Look, the bottom line is when you win often and big, you are going to enjoy the benefit of more coverage and to me that is called earning it.
Let me ask you this question and you answer it honestly...……, theside, I'd like you to answer it as well. Chino, theside, & clemensbuff all work at the same company doing the exact same job. Chino produces 115% of his expected Net Profit NP average the past 10 yrs theside produces 100% of his expected Net Profit NP average the past 10 yrs clemensbuff produces 80% of his expected Net Profit NP average the past 10 yrs Should we all make the same salary??? Your analogies are irrelevant. This isn't First Take or Around The Horn choosing what teams to cover for ratings. This is local news and high school football. And we aren't talking playoffs. Obviously you are gonna cover the teams that are left and not the ones that are eliminated. You reached with that playoff example. I stand behind my statement. Judson should get no more media coverage than a S.A. Kennedy type school. Local news should give love to all the teams not just the elite. And I've agree with you about the equality. Hell man, take a look at some of the SA games they put on 'Thursday Night Lights' live on TV and then tell me some very bad teams/programs aren't getting their time. lmao Some are so bad I cannot even watch it yet they are being televised when there are other very good teams & games being played those same nights. Again, take a look at the HS preview they do each year just before the season starts and show me where the better programs are getting more love than the bad ones. I just don't see it.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Mar 4, 2020 15:17:55 GMT -6
You are talking apples to grapefruit here man. IMG is a private school that indeed recruits and allows scholarships as well. I think the UIL may frown a tad on that just a little here...…...you think? I'm not even sure what you are talking about when you talk about a somerset QB and IMG. I couldn't care less who IMG recruits out of any public schools. If they want to go, good riddance from the program they were at IMO. But it's not just the Private schools like IMG and you know this so I don't see what the debate is about. If you don't think parents and alumni are recruiting out here than my friend you are not as informed on Texas Highschool Football as I thought. I think you are way off on this one....way off. Recruiting is when something is offered to get someone to come play. So, if you are right exactly what do you think parents and alumni are offering these players or their parents to come to their school? Jobs, houses, cash, cars? SMH If I am moving from one place to another and I have a kid that plays ball you damn right I'm going to try and get a home in the zone of a school that has a good program instead of one that does not. Is that recruiting? Even if I decide to move 5 miles or less from one area to another to get my kid into a better situation whether it is for athletics, academics, or both, who's business is that if I have the means to do it. Hell, I'd think a parent if he/she is worth their salt should always try and make the best move that most benefits their kids, don't you? As I said before and will say it again, for 5-6 years Steele was hands down the best program in the SA area and had kids moving in each year. Does that mean when that was happening someone there was recruiting those kids/parents?
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Post by Clemensbuff on Mar 4, 2020 15:22:29 GMT -6
Name them and show proof. Otherwise it's just lip service. I don't have to show any proof. I guess you are not as informed on TX Highschool ball as we thought. Unless you are just jibbering for he sake of argument! Can you imagine someone believing none of these schools are recruiting? 😂 You can't show any proof whatsoever because there is none. It is simply your mindset of what you think is recruiting when it is in fact NOT recruiting. As far as I know this is still the Good ol' US of A and we are free to move to and from wherever we want and if someone wants their kid to go to a school with a better program so that they have a chance to be seen more often and possibly get that full ride scholarship because of it, I say why hell not?
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Post by theside on Mar 4, 2020 19:46:32 GMT -6
But it's not just the Private schools like IMG and you know this so I don't see what the debate is about. If you don't think parents and alumni are recruiting out here than my friend you are not as informed on Texas Highschool Football as I thought. I think you are way off on this one....way off. Recruiting is when something is offered to get someone to come play. So, if you are right exactly what do you think parents and alumni are offering these players or their parents to come to their school? Jobs, houses, cash, cars? SMH If I am moving from one place to another and I have a kid that plays ball you damn right I'm going to try and get a home in the zone of a school that has a good program instead of one that does not. Is that recruiting? Even if I decide to move 5 miles or less from one area to another to get my kid into a better situation whether it is for athletics, academics, or both, who's business is that if I have the means to do it. Hell, I'd think a parent if he/she is worth their salt should always try and make the best move that most benefits their kids, don't you? As I said before and will say it again, for 5-6 years Steele was hands down the best program in the SA area and had kids moving in each year. Does that mean when that was happening someone there was recruiting those kids/parents? Oh believe me there are offers for things you mention. It baffles me that you haven't seen this but I'll go with the theory that you are pretending you haven't. Houses and addresses are a hell of a commodity to have when it comes time to getting athletes aren't they? I guess 7 on 7 football super teams aren't a way of recruiting in the good 'ol USA either huh? But for the sake of not opening up a scandal and a toast to the gentlemen's war I'll keep my proof quiet for now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 20:52:58 GMT -6
I think you are way off on this one....way off. Recruiting is when something is offered to get someone to come play. So, if you are right exactly what do you think parents and alumni are offering these players or their parents to come to their school? Jobs, houses, cash, cars? SMH If I am moving from one place to another and I have a kid that plays ball you damn right I'm going to try and get a home in the zone of a school that has a good program instead of one that does not. Is that recruiting? Even if I decide to move 5 miles or less from one area to another to get my kid into a better situation whether it is for athletics, academics, or both, who's business is that if I have the means to do it. Hell, I'd think a parent if he/she is worth their salt should always try and make the best move that most benefits their kids, don't you? As I said before and will say it again, for 5-6 years Steele was hands down the best program in the SA area and had kids moving in each year. Does that mean when that was happening someone there was recruiting those kids/parents? Oh believe me there are offers for things you mention. It baffles me that you haven't seen this but I'll go with the theory that you are pretending you haven't. Houses and addresses are a hell of a commodity to have when it comes time to getting athletes aren't they? I guess 7 on 7 football super teams aren't a way of recruiting in the good 'ol USA either huh? But for the sake of not opening up a scandal and a toast to the gentlemen's war I'll keep my proof quiet for now. Personally I dont think you have any proof but if by some slim chance you do then you should send it to the UIL. Here is what I wrote about recruiting on the 6A site "I think players recruit, parents recruit, winning recruits, facilities recruit, exposure recruits, but not actual school employees (I really hope not). Aledo gets accused of this and my standard response now is "gather all your evidence and submit it to the UIL". I hope anyone and everyone that has legit evidence would submit it. Even if it was against my alma mater."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 21:03:52 GMT -6
I think you are way off on this one....way off. Recruiting is when something is offered to get someone to come play. So, if you are right exactly what do you think parents and alumni are offering these players or their parents to come to their school? Jobs, houses, cash, cars? SMH If I am moving from one place to another and I have a kid that plays ball you damn right I'm going to try and get a home in the zone of a school that has a good program instead of one that does not. Is that recruiting? Even if I decide to move 5 miles or less from one area to another to get my kid into a better situation whether it is for athletics, academics, or both, who's business is that if I have the means to do it. Hell, I'd think a parent if he/she is worth their salt should always try and make the best move that most benefits their kids, don't you? As I said before and will say it again, for 5-6 years Steele was hands down the best program in the SA area and had kids moving in each year. Does that mean when that was happening someone there was recruiting those kids/parents? Oh believe me there are offers for things you mention. It baffles me that you haven't seen this but I'll go with the theory that you are pretending you haven't. Houses and addresses are a hell of a commodity to have when it comes time to getting athletes aren't they? I guess 7 on 7 football super teams aren't a way of recruiting in the good 'ol USA either huh? But for the sake of not opening up a scandal and a toast to the gentlemen's war I'll keep my proof quiet for now. Hold on a second. earlier you said you didn't need proof. Now you have proof? Let's hear it. This is getting very interesting.
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Post by theside on Mar 4, 2020 21:30:11 GMT -6
Oh believe me there are offers for things you mention. It baffles me that you haven't seen this but I'll go with the theory that you are pretending you haven't. Houses and addresses are a hell of a commodity to have when it comes time to getting athletes aren't they? I guess 7 on 7 football super teams aren't a way of recruiting in the good 'ol USA either huh? But for the sake of not opening up a scandal and a toast to the gentlemen's war I'll keep my proof quiet for now. Hold on a second. earlier you said you didn't need proof. Now you have proof? Let's hear it. This is getting very interesting. I said I didn't need proof as in fact I didn't have to show what I had. Just keep your eye on the SA area some big news will break soon.
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Post by theside on Mar 4, 2020 21:45:33 GMT -6
Oh believe me there are offers for things you mention. It baffles me that you haven't seen this but I'll go with the theory that you are pretending you haven't. Houses and addresses are a hell of a commodity to have when it comes time to getting athletes aren't they? I guess 7 on 7 football super teams aren't a way of recruiting in the good 'ol USA either huh? But for the sake of not opening up a scandal and a toast to the gentlemen's war I'll keep my proof quiet for now. Personally I dont think you have any proof but if by some slim chance you do then you should send it to the UIL. Here is what I wrote about recruiting on the 6A site "I think players recruit, parents recruit, winning recruits, facilities recruit, exposure recruits, but not actual school employees (I really hope not). Aledo gets accused of this and my standard response now is "gather all your evidence and submit it to the UIL". I hope anyone and everyone that has legit evidence would submit it. Even if it was against my alma mater." Some of my own proof is me myself being recruited as well as many of my friends while I was in school. Suggestions by actual coaches such as "if they ain't using you over there we'll use you over here" track season is the best recruiting opportunity isn't it? At least that's where they used to try to get us. But with All Star 7 on 7 teams and social media now seems like the old system can be used even more efficiently. I do have proof but like I said I'll play the gentlemen's game. Like you perfectly said above it goes on. Also if Aledo was doing it why would anyone expose them? It's not worth it People here damn well know it goes on. I love to see people react like as if they don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 21:53:48 GMT -6
Personally I dont think you have any proof but if by some slim chance you do then you should send it to the UIL. Here is what I wrote about recruiting on the 6A site "I think players recruit, parents recruit, winning recruits, facilities recruit, exposure recruits, but not actual school employees (I really hope not). Aledo gets accused of this and my standard response now is "gather all your evidence and submit it to the UIL". I hope anyone and everyone that has legit evidence would submit it. Even if it was against my alma mater." Some of my own proof is me myself being recruited as well as many of my friends while I was in school. Suggestions by actual coaches such as "if they ain't using you over there we'll use you over here" track season is the best recruiting opportunity isn't it? At least that's where they used to try to get us. But with All Star 7 on 7 teams and social media now seems like the old system can be used even more efficiently. I do have proof but like I said I'll play the gentlemen's game. Like you perfectly said above it goes on. Also if Aledo was doing it why would anyone expose them? It's not worth it People here damn well know it goes on. I love to see people react like as if they don't know. Because its unethical and cheating?? I'm not like the Astros or Patriots fans. Even though I would be very disappointed in Aledo, I absolutely encourage anyone who has legit evidence to submit it.
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Post by theside on Mar 4, 2020 21:57:51 GMT -6
Some of my own proof is me myself being recruited as well as many of my friends while I was in school. Suggestions by actual coaches such as "if they ain't using you over there we'll use you over here" track season is the best recruiting opportunity isn't it? At least that's where they used to try to get us. But with All Star 7 on 7 teams and social media now seems like the old system can be used even more efficiently. I do have proof but like I said I'll play the gentlemen's game. Like you perfectly said above it goes on. Also if Aledo was doing it why would anyone expose them? It's not worth it People here damn well know it goes on. I love to see people react like as if they don't know. Because its unethical and cheating? I'm not like the Astros or Patriots fans. Even though I would be very disappointed in Aledo, I absolutely encourage anyone who has legit evidence to submit it. well that's what one may consider unethical or cheating. See Clemensbuff post above. What's your opinion on if players or Parents are doing it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 22:05:52 GMT -6
Because its unethical and cheating? I'm not like the Astros or Patriots fans. Even though I would be very disappointed in Aledo, I absolutely encourage anyone who has legit evidence to submit it. well that's what one may consider unethical or cheating. See Clemensbuff post above. What's your opinion on if players or Parents are doing it? I've accepted thats the way it is. Hard to blame people for wanting to improve their situation.
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