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Post by theside on Mar 2, 2020 3:22:24 GMT -6
The teams that produce more wins or do you mean the teams with more money? It's been well established that schools with more money take players away from smaller poor minority schools on the fringe of the city.
The schools are already challenged and the big dogs get some of their best players. I'm from those areas and I've seen it.
Again media coverage helps facilitate that. Idc how many schools there are there needs to be more coverage especially of the largely minority schools that are poorer. Some of these players feel they can't get a proper look at big time schools because of the lack of coverage.
But the war has begun. Social media is giving the news stations and local papers a challenge now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 5:43:56 GMT -6
Recruiting efforts? What are you saying here, CP recruits players? Chill out CNN. The big schools like LT and Westlake have a control on media coverage which helps them recruit players. The coaching staffs don't have to lift a finger the media does that for them. The more players see the more they want to go there. If the media gave CP the same type of coverage more players might want to go play for CP. It's pretty basic to understand. You keep using the word recruit. That implies teams are cheating. That's why I asked if that was really what you meant. True winning programs get attention and kids want to go to those programs. And the media does not cover all teams equally.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Mar 2, 2020 7:22:08 GMT -6
The teams that produce more wins or do you mean the teams with more money? It's been well established that schools with more money take players away from smaller poor minority schools on the fringe of the city. The schools are already challenged and the big dogs get some of their best players. I'm from those areas and I've seen it. Again media coverage helps facilitate that. Idc how many schools there are there needs to be more coverage especially of the largely minority schools that are poorer. Some of these players feel they can't get a proper look at big time schools because of the lack of coverage. But the war has begun. Social media is giving the news stations and local papers a challenge now. OMG, bleed me an ocean man. I really didn't think I see a post like this come from you! Teams with more money. So, Judson & Steele have a lot of money now. lmao They won more than anyone these past 10 years at the highest level so you surely must be talking about them, right? And as far as your statement goes about good players leaving bad to decent teams to play for better ones, why wouldn't you move your kid to a team that is likely going to go deeper in the playoffs and possibly even have chance to play for a title, especially if it means getting as good or better education? I don't know of a single parent that wouldn't want the best for their kid that and if they can afford to relocate or their job location allows it, why not?
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Post by Clemensbuff on Mar 2, 2020 7:25:05 GMT -6
Chill out CNN. The big schools like LT and Westlake have a control on media coverage which helps them recruit players. The coaching staffs don't have to lift a finger the media does that for them. The more players see the more they want to go there. If the media gave CP the same type of coverage more players might want to go play for CP. It's pretty basic to understand. You keep using the word recruit. That implies teams are cheating. That's why I asked if that was really what you meant. True winning programs get attention and kids want to go to those programs. And the media does not cover all teams equally. Exactly right. When Steele was winning big they had multiple move-ins each and every year. A few got on the field but most did not. The coaching staff, other players, parents, admin......NOBODY asked any of those players and their families to move in and in fact I remember one pretty good player who Mike Jinks told his parents if they moved in he would NOT put him on the field because he felt that there could be some gray area in him moving and he was not about to take any chance to put his other kids and his season in any kind of potential jeopardy.
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Post by picodegallo on Mar 2, 2020 8:57:39 GMT -6
Sucks for Cedar Park. I don’t believe CP is far out in the Austin media market. I just think that Westlake, Lake Travis and Austin ISD will monopolize the limited sportswriters. Oh and Im sure UT takes up a lot of sports articles. Southside is in the same boat. Limited coverage, but it’s also not due to being outside of the media market. It’s still in San Antonio. Even closer than CP is to Austin. But the lack of success of schools south of downtown hasn’t helped their media exposure. They are now starting to break through. Currently all of the successful schools are in north SA or north of SA. We aren't out of the Austin market at all... we're only 15 miles from downtown Austin as the crow flies. Actually, the Austin City Limits bumps up to Cedar Park! You're right though... as long as there is a West Lake, Lake Travis, or 6a AISD schools, the AAS sportswriters will be humping their legs and not paying attention to CP! I noticed this too in regards to LT and Westlake dominating the coverage in the Austin market. Even when CP was making their successful state runs and Westlake was sort of down by their standards. Is it because Westlake and LT have been pipelines to UT and other power programs in regards to highly regarded players ( Ehlingher, Mayfield, etc.) ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 9:17:50 GMT -6
Possible 6A bias? Maybe they dont think covering the other schools that arent LT & WL are worth the resources.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Mar 2, 2020 11:11:30 GMT -6
I noticed this too in regards to LT and Westlake dominating the coverage in the Austin market. Even when CP was making their successful state runs and Westlake was sort of down by their standards. Is it because Westlake and LT have been pipelines to UT and other power programs in regards to highly regarded players ( Ehlingher, Mayfield, etc.) ? There is no doubt that WL has been and always will be at the top of the 'media darlings list' with Austin and LT right behind em. I don't know if it has anything to do with all the high profile players, especially QBs these two have produced the last 20 years or so or not but my guess is no. Possible 6A bias? Maybe they dont think covering the other schools that arent LT & WL are worth the resources. I don't know if it is truly this either. My guess is because of all the resources ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$) that reside in the areas of WL and LT attendance zones! lol
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Post by TWolvesFan on Mar 2, 2020 13:28:23 GMT -6
I noticed this too in regards to LT and Westlake dominating the coverage in the Austin market. Even when CP was making their successful state runs and Westlake was sort of down by their standards. Is it because Westlake and LT have been pipelines to UT and other power programs in regards to highly regarded players ( Ehlingher, Mayfield, etc.) ? There is no doubt that WL has been and always will be at the top of the 'media darlings list' with Austin and LT right behind em. I don't know if it has anything to do with all the high profile players, especially QBs these two have produced the last 20 years or so or not but my guess is no. Possible 6A bias? Maybe they dont think covering the other schools that arent LT & WL are worth the resources. I don't know if it is truly this either. My guess is because of all the resources ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$) that reside in the areas of WL and LT attendance zones! lol A little bit of the above 3 posts but this one carry's a hell-of-a-lot more weight I suspect!
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Post by theside on Mar 3, 2020 4:12:59 GMT -6
The teams that produce more wins or do you mean the teams with more money? It's been well established that schools with more money take players away from smaller poor minority schools on the fringe of the city. The schools are already challenged and the big dogs get some of their best players. I'm from those areas and I've seen it. Again media coverage helps facilitate that. Idc how many schools there are there needs to be more coverage especially of the largely minority schools that are poorer. Some of these players feel they can't get a proper look at big time schools because of the lack of coverage. But the war has begun. Social media is giving the news stations and local papers a challenge now. OMG, bleed me an ocean man. I really didn't think I see a post like this come from you! Teams with more money. So, Judson & Steele have a lot of money now. lmao They won more than anyone these past 10 years at the highest level so you surely must be talking about them, right? And as far as your statement goes about good players leaving bad to decent teams to play for better ones, why wouldn't you move your kid to a team that is likely going to go deeper in the playoffs and possibly even have chance to play for a title, especially if it means getting as good or better education? I don't know of a single parent that wouldn't want the best for their kid that and if they can afford to relocate or their job location allows it, why not? Hey hey hey let's not make it look like I'm an outlier here with this opinion. I have seen you write extremely similar opinions especially when going back to the Somerset QB/IMG Academy dealings not so long back and how money helps schools recruit.
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Post by theside on Mar 3, 2020 4:17:24 GMT -6
Chill out CNN. The big schools like LT and Westlake have a control on media coverage which helps them recruit players. The coaching staffs don't have to lift a finger the media does that for them. The more players see the more they want to go there. If the media gave CP the same type of coverage more players might want to go play for CP. It's pretty basic to understand. You keep using the word recruit. That implies teams are cheating. That's why I asked if that was really what you meant. True winning programs get attention and kids want to go to those programs. And the media does not cover all teams equally. That depends on your definition of a "true winning program" if you don't think certain teams recruit you haven't been paying attention close enough. People can say what they want but I've seen it first hand and so have others.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 5:37:02 GMT -6
You keep using the word recruit. That implies teams are cheating. That's why I asked if that was really what you meant. True winning programs get attention and kids want to go to those programs. And the media does not cover all teams equally. That depends on your definition of a "true winning program" if you don't think certain teams recruit you haven't been paying attention close enough. People can say what they want but I've seen it first hand and so have others. Name them and show proof. Otherwise it's just lip service.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 12:01:45 GMT -6
He has a point about media coverage helping facilitate transfers even if that's not what the media is intending. Media should cater to all programs not just the elite ones. Judson shouldnt get any more local coverage than S.A. Kennedy should.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Mar 3, 2020 12:13:37 GMT -6
OMG, bleed me an ocean man. I really didn't think I see a post like this come from you! Teams with more money. So, Judson & Steele have a lot of money now. lmao They won more than anyone these past 10 years at the highest level so you surely must be talking about them, right? And as far as your statement goes about good players leaving bad to decent teams to play for better ones, why wouldn't you move your kid to a team that is likely going to go deeper in the playoffs and possibly even have chance to play for a title, especially if it means getting as good or better education? I don't know of a single parent that wouldn't want the best for their kid that and if they can afford to relocate or their job location allows it, why not? Hey hey hey let's not make it look like I'm an outlier here with this opinion. I have seen you write extremely similar opinions especially when going back to the Somerset QB/IMG Academy dealings not so long back and how money helps schools recruit. You are talking apples to grapefruit here man. IMG is a private school that indeed recruits and allows scholarships as well. I think the UIL may frown a tad on that just a little here...…...you think? I'm not even sure what you are talking about when you talk about a somerset QB and IMG. I couldn't care less who IMG recruits out of any public schools. If they want to go, good riddance from the program they were at IMO.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Mar 3, 2020 12:44:11 GMT -6
He has a point about media coverage helping facilitate transfers even if that's not what the media is intending. Media should cater to all programs not just the elite ones. Judson shouldnt get any more local coverage than S.A. Kennedy should. No doubt that teams that get more coverage benefit from 'move-ins' much more than those that are not. Only a moron would argue that. So if you say the media should cater to losing programs as much as those that win, how do you propose to do that, by ceasing to cover teams once they are past the 1st round of the playoffs, 2nd, 3rd, or maybe once the regional finals are over? Before you take my last statement to literal understand that I realize that isn't going to happen, nor should it. But you also need to realize that if you are the last team or two standing from an city or area then you damn sure earned some additional coverage. Don't you think? With nearly 50 5a & 6a programs in the SA area of course the ones who've won the most are going to get the most 'air time' I don't see why that is wrong or why it should change at all. Hell, I'm old enough to remember when Lee HS dominated the media coverage in SA, then came John Jay, Churchill, Holmes, and finally Judson. But you better realize that Judson had to earn that because you didn't read a damn thing about them back in the early 80s until they knocked out Holmes or Churchill from the playoffs. It was no different for Steele back in 2010 before they knocked Mac out in the region final, then in 2011 with Reagan in the same game! Hell, even in 2016 when Churchill made it back they enjoyed more coverage on local media than Steele did even though everybody who knew HSFB realized how big of a mis-match that game was going to be. SA has always had their media darlings and in 5a that is Alamo Heights...….always has been and always will be. Look, the bottom line is when you win often and big, you are going to enjoy the benefit of more coverage and to me that is called earning it.
Let me ask you this question and you answer it honestly...……, theside, I'd like you to answer it as well. Chino, theside, & clemensbuff all work at the same company doing the exact same job. Chino produces 115% of his expected Net Profit NP average the past 10 yrs theside produces 100% of his expected Net Profit NP average the past 10 yrs clemensbuff produces 80% of his expected Net Profit NP average the past 10 yrs Should we all make the same salary???
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Post by theside on Mar 3, 2020 13:27:22 GMT -6
Hey hey hey let's not make it look like I'm an outlier here with this opinion. I have seen you write extremely similar opinions especially when going back to the Somerset QB/IMG Academy dealings not so long back and how money helps schools recruit. You are talking apples to grapefruit here man. IMG is a private school that indeed recruits and allows scholarships as well. I think the UIL may frown a tad on that just a little here...…...you think? I'm not even sure what you are talking about when you talk about a somerset QB and IMG. I couldn't care less who IMG recruits out of any public schools. If they want to go, good riddance from the program they were at IMO. But it's not just the Private schools like IMG and you know this so I don't see what the debate is about. If you don't think parents and alumni are recruiting out here than my friend you are not as informed on Texas Highschool Football as I thought.
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