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Post by Coyotes2018 on Feb 20, 2020 13:44:52 GMT -6
Check your facts because you are WRONG. Carroll- W in OT King - W Moody - W in 2/OTs Vets - L (Blowout) GP - L ( Blowout) Alice - L (Blowout) TM - W (Blowout) Ray - L Calallen - L (Blowout) King - L
looks like 4-6 to me? Evans could move his stipends however he wanted to, so yeah he could have hired anyone he wanted to make his staff. I Guarantee he isn't able to offer his CCISD assistants the moon and the stars...everything is set and is not changed for individual coaches. I had no idea Nick Saban is on his staff at Miller. Also, I like how you decide to bring back in Medina Valley, you do realize I used his entire coaching career and not just 1 school right??? I cannot remember the last time Alice had 55-60 kids on varsity...when I played 10+ years ago we only had 45 and that's with an enrollment of 1500 students on not 1200 like today...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 14:28:50 GMT -6
Check your facts because you are WRONG. Carroll- W in OT King - W Moody - W in 2/OTs Vets - L (Blowout) GP - L ( Blowout) Alice - L (Blowout) TM - W (Blowout) Ray - L Calallen - L (Blowout) King - L looks like 4-6 to me? Evans could move his stipends however he wanted to, so yeah he could have hired anyone he wanted to make his staff. I Guarantee he isn't able to offer his CCISD assistants the moon and the stars...everything is set and is not changed for individual coaches. I had no idea Nick Saban is on his staff at Miller. Also, I like how you decide to bring back in Medina Valley, you do realize I used his entire coaching career and not just 1 school right??? I cannot remember the last time Alice had 55-60 kids on varsity...when I played 10+ years ago we only had 45 and that's with an enrollment of 1500 students on not 1200 like today... I always use to check the roster numbers. I even remember criticising Ray a few years ago for only having 35 on varsity and comparing it to Alice being a much smaller school with 55 on the roster. Im telling you I always was about nonsense details like that to brag about Alice. I specifically remember posting about it in here years ago. Refugio has an enrollment of 200 and they have 35 on varsity. Sinton has half the Alice enrollment and even they manage around 40 on varsity. Point is the culture at Alice isn't what it use to be. Congrats on being correct about your 4-6 Miller remark it doesn't change the fact that Evans immediately changed the "culture" there. Sorry but it shouldn't be easier to change a consistent 1-9 culture than it should be to fix a school already with rich tradition. And lets be real here, if Ray isn't playing without Breckenridge in 2017 then Alice doesn't make the playoffs that season. 2018 is what it was and 2019 was loaded with talent yet blown out 3x by teams they shouldn't have been blown out by. I'm not knocking Alice I'm making the point that it looks nice on paper to say you've made the playoffs with this staff 2 out of 3 years but those details I mentioned tell a different story. You can chalk my points up to bitterness if it makes you feel good but we've had one on one conversations about the last 3 years and you know how that went. If anyone else was pointing this out you'd respect it but its coming from me so you want to dismiss it. You can take my comments with a grain of salt if you want but I'm telling you I'm no longer concerned with being angry at Alice. It was fun and refreshing as time went on to no longer be emotionally tied to 1 team and to just be able to enjoy and appreciate ALL south texas programs.
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Post by gp37 on Feb 20, 2020 15:30:26 GMT -6
I'm not sure what the argument is about but Coach Rodriguez was going 1-9 before Coach Evans got there and been improving ever since. Miller showed lots of players on their Roster but about 25 showed up to play and the fans in the stands were lucky to average just the parents of the players.
Now Coach Sosa improved Mathis and that got him a job at Beeville where he took Lake Travis and Garrett Gilbert to the wire. The Beeville school board loved him for the way he stressed academics to his players. He knocked off GP a few times. He made the mistake of trying to instill discipline at Alice.
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Post by warcat82 on Feb 20, 2020 15:50:12 GMT -6
15+ years of winning and 2 straight 5A state title runner up teams(Robert Griffin was QB for those two seasons) with Jack Welch as coach. Now I am not saying that it absolutely is on him, the kids have to buy in also. As you mentioned, Soza in Alice. Soza is a great man and great coach, he took his lumps at Beeville his 1st year then made them a playoff team until he left to Alice. Alice screwed him, and as you well know after what they did to you also, they will continue to do that until changes are made. But back to Cove, they have a strong administration, but they literally hired Alvarez in less than a week. Even he was shocked he got it that quickly when they interviewed him up here. I really hope he does well in Cuero, but I think with the traditions they have he was the wrong choice seeing what happened to a big time program after he came in. Maybe Cove was already on the way down and the writing was on the wall and that's why the previous coach left? I'm just saying there's lots of ways to look at it and any way we look at it this dude still has a state title to his name. The other coach left for some shady reasons. That's a whole other story, but basically he is now getting paid royalties for the next 10 years and will make 7 figures each year because he tricked the district into signing a 10 year contract for licensing of the name bulldawg with his branding company. It was a huge mess.
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Post by Coyotes2018 on Feb 20, 2020 15:58:56 GMT -6
Check your facts because you are WRONG. Carroll- W in OT King - W Moody - W in 2/OTs Vets - L (Blowout) GP - L ( Blowout) Alice - L (Blowout) TM - W (Blowout) Ray - L Calallen - L (Blowout) King - L looks like 4-6 to me? Evans could move his stipends however he wanted to, so yeah he could have hired anyone he wanted to make his staff. I Guarantee he isn't able to offer his CCISD assistants the moon and the stars...everything is set and is not changed for individual coaches. I had no idea Nick Saban is on his staff at Miller. Also, I like how you decide to bring back in Medina Valley, you do realize I used his entire coaching career and not just 1 school right??? I cannot remember the last time Alice had 55-60 kids on varsity...when I played 10+ years ago we only had 45 and that's with an enrollment of 1500 students on not 1200 like today... I always use to check the roster numbers. I even remember criticising Ray a few years ago for only having 35 on varsity and comparing it to Alice being a much smaller school with 55 on the roster. Im telling you I always was about nonsense details like that to brag about Alice. I specifically remember posting about it in here years ago. Refugio has an enrollment of 200 and they have 35 on varsity. Sinton has half the Alice enrollment and even they manage around 40 on varsity. Point is the culture at Alice isn't what it use to be. Congrats on being correct about your 4-6 Miller remark it doesn't change the fact that Evans immediately changed the "culture" there. Sorry but it shouldn't be easier to change a consistent 1-9 culture than it should be to fix a school already with rich tradition. And lets be real here, if Ray isn't playing without Breckenridge in 2017 then Alice doesn't make the playoffs that season. 2018 is what it was and 2019 was loaded with talent yet blown out 3x by teams they shouldn't have been blown out by. I'm not knocking Alice I'm making the point that it looks nice on paper to say you've made the playoffs with this staff 2 out of 3 years but those details I mentioned tell a different story. You can chalk my points up to bitterness if it makes you feel good but we've had one on one conversations about the last 3 years and you know how that went. If anyone else was pointing this out you'd respect it but its coming from me so you want to dismiss it. You can take my comments with a grain of salt if you want but I'm telling you I'm no longer concerned with being angry at Alice. It was fun and refreshing as time went on to no longer be emotionally tied to 1 team and to just be able to enjoy and appreciate ALL south texas programs. Let's just back track to my original argument with your post, Evans and Soza were/are great in every job they've been at INCLUDING Alice so to say they left Alice and flourished is wrong for those guys. To give those guys the respect they've earned you should have said they had success at Alice dispite the crap show Alice is right now. Trust me I'm am not the biggest Alice fanatic there is, I just love local sports and want to support the community athletes. I get you say Alice was loaded with talent this past year and should have done better but I am actually surprised they made the playoffs. I did not think Alice would be as good as they were this past season, they have several really talented kids but 3 or 4 kids can only take you so far.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 16:31:02 GMT -6
I always use to check the roster numbers. I even remember criticising Ray a few years ago for only having 35 on varsity and comparing it to Alice being a much smaller school with 55 on the roster. Im telling you I always was about nonsense details like that to brag about Alice. I specifically remember posting about it in here years ago. Refugio has an enrollment of 200 and they have 35 on varsity. Sinton has half the Alice enrollment and even they manage around 40 on varsity. Point is the culture at Alice isn't what it use to be. Congrats on being correct about your 4-6 Miller remark it doesn't change the fact that Evans immediately changed the "culture" there. Sorry but it shouldn't be easier to change a consistent 1-9 culture than it should be to fix a school already with rich tradition. And lets be real here, if Ray isn't playing without Breckenridge in 2017 then Alice doesn't make the playoffs that season. 2018 is what it was and 2019 was loaded with talent yet blown out 3x by teams they shouldn't have been blown out by. I'm not knocking Alice I'm making the point that it looks nice on paper to say you've made the playoffs with this staff 2 out of 3 years but those details I mentioned tell a different story. You can chalk my points up to bitterness if it makes you feel good but we've had one on one conversations about the last 3 years and you know how that went. If anyone else was pointing this out you'd respect it but its coming from me so you want to dismiss it. You can take my comments with a grain of salt if you want but I'm telling you I'm no longer concerned with being angry at Alice. It was fun and refreshing as time went on to no longer be emotionally tied to 1 team and to just be able to enjoy and appreciate ALL south texas programs. Let's just back track to my original argument with your post, Evans and Soza were/are great in every job they've been at INCLUDING Alice so to say they left Alice and flourished is wrong for those guys. To give those guys the respect they've earned you should have said they had success at Alice dispite the crap show Alice is right now. Trust me I'm am not the biggest Alice fanatic there is, I just love local sports and want to support the community athletes. I get you say Alice was loaded with talent this past year and should have done better but I am actually surprised they made the playoffs. I did not think Alice would be as good as they were this past season, they have several really talented kids but 3 or 4 kids can only take you so far. I didn't say Soza or Evans weren't successful at Alice. Here let me put it this way and maybe you'll understand the point I'm making of where your program is right now... Alice use to be a place that legit coaches from all over would apply at when the job came open... Now? You had to settle for a 3A coach who had a 15-37 record. That's the best that applies at Alice now.
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Post by oldgreen72 on Feb 20, 2020 22:19:29 GMT -6
The Cuero school board tonight voted Jack Alvarez as new AD/HC tonight.
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Post by wfcoyote on Feb 21, 2020 8:05:43 GMT -6
I’m trying to remember when the last time a football player from Alice or GP got a Scolly. There has been a drought in the CC Metroplex for some time.
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Post by Coyotes2018 on Feb 21, 2020 8:56:48 GMT -6
Let's just back track to my original argument with your post, Evans and Soza were/are great in every job they've been at INCLUDING Alice so to say they left Alice and flourished is wrong for those guys. To give those guys the respect they've earned you should have said they had success at Alice dispite the crap show Alice is right now. Trust me I'm am not the biggest Alice fanatic there is, I just love local sports and want to support the community athletes. I get you say Alice was loaded with talent this past year and should have done better but I am actually surprised they made the playoffs. I did not think Alice would be as good as they were this past season, they have several really talented kids but 3 or 4 kids can only take you so far. I didn't say Soza or Evans weren't successful at Alice. Here let me put it this way and maybe you'll understand the point I'm making of where your program is right now... Alice use to be a place that legit coaches from all over would apply at when the job came open... Now? You had to settle for a 3A coach who had a 15-37 record. That's the best that applies at Alice now. This is what you said, when soza and evans left they flourished at other schools. Flourish means to grow or develop, Soza was a proven coach before Alice, with Alice, and without Alice...to say he flourished if completely wrong. Evans was a proven offensive coordinator that saw a low of success at King, he was part of Hesseltines better years at the helm. To follow up his success as an Offensive coordinator, he went 7-3 in Alice his first season...i'd say thats pretty good so you can make an argument that he flourished because he was still growing into his role as a head coach. That's what irked me..these coaches have proven themselves everywhere dispite the issues in Alice. The whole point of this was the fact that someone said this Cuero coach is a bad hire because he had a couple of bad years at Copperas Cove so you brought up a toxic environment like Alice and how these coaches have done so well at other schools, which is true but come on man to say they flourished just isn't true. Alice has only had 6 coaches in like 30 years, Whatley, Clark, Whatley, Davis, Soza, Evans, and Atwood...when Atwood applied i know there was over 40 applicants, not sure who the applicants were but having that many to choose from is pretty good...the had the sights set on Atwood and not sure they truly gave anyone else the chance. When Evans got the job he wasn't a finalist, there was three finalist and they chose Bush who left to Seguin because they gave him like 125K...outside of Calallen and maybe GP? I just don't understand why even bring Alice up into this thread??
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Post by Coyotes2018 on Feb 21, 2020 8:58:38 GMT -6
I’m trying to remember when the last time a football player from Alice or GP got a Scolly. There has been a drought in the CC Metroplex for some time. I know Jalen Brooks when to UIW for football but not sure if he's still there or if he transferred or something. The Kicker from the 2017 football team at Alice just walked on to the Javelinas so maybe he will earn a scolly if he proves himself...ofcourse TAMUK has a pretty good kicker in the Freshmen that was at CC VETS
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 8:59:20 GMT -6
Maybe Cove was the problem then if he won a state title at another program. Look at Alice. As soon as coaches leave (Soza, Evans) they flourish at other schools. Sometimes the program/city culture is the problem. 15+ years of winning and 2 straight 5A state title runner up teams(Robert Griffin was QB for those two seasons) with Jack Welch as coach. Too soon, too soon. Cove beat Aledo in the semifinals both of those times. The first meeting was my senior year. Wish they would have won state.
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Post by OCCNH on Feb 22, 2020 20:28:28 GMT -6
I’m trying to remember when the last time a football player from Alice or GP got a Scolly. There has been a drought in the CC Metroplex for some time. FB has two kids at Rice. One at North Texas?
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Post by gp37 on Feb 22, 2020 22:06:35 GMT -6
I’m trying to remember when the last time a football player from Alice or GP got a Scolly. There has been a drought in the CC Metroplex for some time. FB has two kids at Rice. One at North Texas? Didn't FB have a QB that went to Sam Houston?
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Post by OCCNH on Feb 23, 2020 6:14:40 GMT -6
FB has two kids at Rice. One at North Texas? Didn't FB have a QB that went to Sam Houston? Yes. A couple went there. One DB and the QB. Several have gone to Kingsville but I was just noting the D1 kids
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Post by warcat82 on Mar 4, 2020 11:22:16 GMT -6
I’m trying to remember when the last time a football player from Alice or GP got a Scolly. There has been a drought in the CC Metroplex for some time. So chino played with a kid that made it to the NFL and played for the Jets. Chris Brazell (sp?) In the late 80s early 90s time frame. That kid was impressive to watch. GP had Connell Davis in the early 2000s that oh yeah played for Harris, play at Mizzou. Scholarship winners have nothing to do with this. Heck Kerrville had Johnny Football and didn't win state, but their program produces quality young men and quality teams every year. Heck Temple had Lache Seastrunk (#1 rated rb in the state, #4 in the country) they didn't even make the playoffs or have a winning record. He went on to oregon and baylor and the nfl and arena league.
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