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Post by oldgreen72 on Feb 18, 2020 13:54:53 GMT -6
Per Matt Stepp on Twitter
Copperas Cove AD Jack Alvarez is expected to be hired by Cuero pending board approval.
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Post by warcat82 on Feb 19, 2020 8:57:29 GMT -6
Terrible hire. Since he took over at Cove, they have been terrible. His team got helped into the playoffs two years ago because Temple intentionally lost to them so they wouldn't open with Longview in the 1st round. I have heard that Cove was about to run him out of town, so he knew the end was near. Cuero could be in for a rough couple years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 19:30:57 GMT -6
Terrible hire. Since he took over at Cove, they have been terrible. His team got helped into the playoffs two years ago because Temple intentionally lost to them so they wouldn't open with Longview in the 1st round. I have heard that Cove was about to run him out of town, so he knew the end was near. Cuero could be in for a rough couple years. What else has he done? Need more than a couple of years to judge. Davis took over at The Colony and was going 1-9 before going to Alice and he took Sinton to state. And I seriously doubt Temple intentionally lost a game.
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Post by calcatgirl on Feb 19, 2020 22:03:38 GMT -6
Terrible hire. Since he took over at Cove, they have been terrible. His team got helped into the playoffs two years ago because Temple intentionally lost to them so they wouldn't open with Longview in the 1st round. I have heard that Cove was about to run him out of town, so he knew the end was near. Cuero could be in for a rough couple years. What else has he done? Need more than a couple of years to judge. Davis took over at The Colony and was going 1-9 before going to Alice and he took Sinton to state. And I seriously doubt Temple intentionally lost a game. He won a state title at Ennis in 2014.
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Post by warcat82 on Feb 19, 2020 22:20:07 GMT -6
Terrible hire. Since he took over at Cove, they have been terrible. His team got helped into the playoffs two years ago because Temple intentionally lost to them so they wouldn't open with Longview in the 1st round. I have heard that Cove was about to run him out of town, so he knew the end was near. Cuero could be in for a rough couple years. What else has he done? Need more than a couple of years to judge. Davis took over at The Colony and was going 1-9 before going to Alice and he took Sinton to state. And I seriously doubt Temple intentionally lost a game. 176-85 record overall. And yes Temple intentionally lost to put Cove in. Also his team was very undisciplined. Cove was not having any of it. They were losing kids and wanted him out.
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Post by warcat82 on Feb 19, 2020 22:25:23 GMT -6
Here is the article. What it doesn't discuss is the fact that temple kneeled it near the goal line, and let cove score multiple times to make sure cove got in and played Longview. It forced Midway to D1 instead of D2. Therefore, Temple got to play Mesquite Horn at home instead of Longview on the road. www.tdtnews.com/sports/article_d80f0790-e957-11e8-9ce6-2b44d8619801.html
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 23:53:55 GMT -6
Here is the article. What it doesn't discuss is the fact that temple kneeled it near the goal line, and let cove score multiple times to make sure cove got in and played Longview. It forced Midway to D1 instead of D2. Therefore, Temple got to play Mesquite Horn at home instead of Longview on the road. www.tdtnews.com/sports/article_d80f0790-e957-11e8-9ce6-2b44d8619801.htmlMaybe Cove was the problem then if he won a state title at another program. Look at Alice. As soon as coaches leave (Soza, Evans) they flourish at other schools. Sometimes the program/city culture is the problem.
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Post by warcat82 on Feb 20, 2020 1:19:46 GMT -6
Here is the article. What it doesn't discuss is the fact that temple kneeled it near the goal line, and let cove score multiple times to make sure cove got in and played Longview. It forced Midway to D1 instead of D2. Therefore, Temple got to play Mesquite Horn at home instead of Longview on the road. www.tdtnews.com/sports/article_d80f0790-e957-11e8-9ce6-2b44d8619801.htmlMaybe Cove was the problem then if he won a state title at another program. Look at Alice. As soon as coaches leave (Soza, Evans) they flourish at other schools. Sometimes the program/city culture is the problem. 15+ years of winning and 2 straight 5A state title runner up teams(Robert Griffin was QB for those two seasons) with Jack Welch as coach. Now I am not saying that it absolutely is on him, the kids have to buy in also. As you mentioned, Soza in Alice. Soza is a great man and great coach, he took his lumps at Beeville his 1st year then made them a playoff team until he left to Alice. Alice screwed him, and as you well know after what they did to you also, they will continue to do that until changes are made. But back to Cove, they have a strong administration, but they literally hired Alvarez in less than a week. Even he was shocked he got it that quickly when they interviewed him up here. I really hope he does well in Cuero, but I think with the traditions they have he was the wrong choice seeing what happened to a big time program after he came in.
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Post by Coyotes2018 on Feb 20, 2020 8:08:03 GMT -6
Here is the article. What it doesn't discuss is the fact that temple kneeled it near the goal line, and let cove score multiple times to make sure cove got in and played Longview. It forced Midway to D1 instead of D2. Therefore, Temple got to play Mesquite Horn at home instead of Longview on the road. www.tdtnews.com/sports/article_d80f0790-e957-11e8-9ce6-2b44d8619801.htmlMaybe Cove was the problem then if he won a state title at another program. Look at Alice. As soon as coaches leave (Soza, Evans) they flourish at other schools. Sometimes the program/city culture is the problem. I understand Alice screwed over Soza, but to say he left and flourished is wrong. Soza was 49-29 in Alice, giving him a winning percentage of 63%. Over his career he is averaging a 64% winning percentage so it seems to me like he did in Alice was he has done his whole career. Heck he left to Medina Valley and went 18-14 which is the worst hes done as a head coach...so to say he Flourished when leaving Alice is wrong. Also, Evans went 7-3 in Alice in 1 year who knows what would have happened if he stayed 3 years. It took him 3 years to get Miller to the playoffs which is a huge accomplishment but to say he flourished when leaving Alice is a bit unfair. He may have been able to accomplish a lot in Alice if he stayed but we just don't know. I get it, Alice is all screwed up but the coaches are great coaches no matter where they are/were, even in Alice.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 8:34:08 GMT -6
Maybe Cove was the problem then if he won a state title at another program. Look at Alice. As soon as coaches leave (Soza, Evans) they flourish at other schools. Sometimes the program/city culture is the problem. 15+ years of winning and 2 straight 5A state title runner up teams(Robert Griffin was QB for those two seasons) with Jack Welch as coach. Now I am not saying that it absolutely is on him, the kids have to buy in also. As you mentioned, Soza in Alice. Soza is a great man and great coach, he took his lumps at Beeville his 1st year then made them a playoff team until he left to Alice. Alice screwed him, and as you well know after what they did to you also, they will continue to do that until changes are made. But back to Cove, they have a strong administration, but they literally hired Alvarez in less than a week. Even he was shocked he got it that quickly when they interviewed him up here. I really hope he does well in Cuero, but I think with the traditions they have he was the wrong choice seeing what happened to a big time program after he came in. Maybe Cove was already on the way down and the writing was on the wall and that's why the previous coach left? I'm just saying there's lots of ways to look at it and any way we look at it this dude still has a state title to his name.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 9:33:18 GMT -6
Maybe Cove was the problem then if he won a state title at another program. Look at Alice. As soon as coaches leave (Soza, Evans) they flourish at other schools. Sometimes the program/city culture is the problem. I understand Alice screwed over Soza, but to say he left and flourished is wrong. Soza was 49-29 in Alice, giving him a winning percentage of 63%. Over his career he is averaging a 64% winning percentage so it seems to me like he did in Alice was he has done his whole career. Heck he left to Medina Valley and went 18-14 which is the worst hes done as a head coach...so to say he Flourished when leaving Alice is wrong. Also, Evans went 7-3 in Alice in 1 year who knows what would have happened if he stayed 3 years. It took him 3 years to get Miller to the playoffs which is a huge accomplishment but to say he flourished when leaving Alice is a bit unfair. He may have been able to accomplish a lot in Alice if he stayed but we just don't know. I get it, Alice is all screwed up but the coaches are great coaches no matter where they are/were, even in Alice. I didn't say those coaches were the problem. I said the opposite. I said the program/city culture possibly is the problem. Your win percentage example makes my point if he had the same basic win percentage at those other NON football tradition rich schools as he did in Alice. That makes AISD look like the problem. And I disagree with you saying it took Evans 3 years to turn Miller around. They were having 0-10 and 1-9 seasons before his arrival so immediately going 6-4 and more importantly being competitive says he immediately turned that program around. He hired a handful of college football playing experienced coaches at Miller that he wanted to take to Alice but Alice wasn't gonna pay them like CCISD does. That's an AISD problem. I realize you guys aren't gonna take my AISD comments seriously because of my recent history with them but nothing I'm saying is trolling or untrue. I'm not a complete jackass. I don't wish bad on the program I loved for 45 years but it is what it is, lots of politics and drama.
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Post by oldgreen72 on Feb 20, 2020 9:36:32 GMT -6
There is a extensive article in the Killeen Daily Hearald about his coaching history.
Every school he’s coached at has had success. His first coaching job was at High Island. They hadn’t made the playoffs in years. He turned that program around and made the playoffs.
His next job was at 3A Kirbyville. Kirbyville had losing seasons and hadn’t made the playoffs in 14 years. During his stay there he took Kirbyville to 2 state final appearances in 2008 and 2009.
His next position was at Ennis. Ennis had not made long playoff runs since Sam Hairell had left. In two years he had Ennis back in the SC game in 2011 and won. He made it back to the semifinals twice but lost to Aledo.
So he’s a winner if given the time and the players and community buy into his system
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 9:41:14 GMT -6
There is a extensive article in the Killeen Daily Hearald about his coaching history. Every school he’s coached at has had success. His first coaching job was at High Island. They hadn’t made the playoffs in years. He turned that program around and made the playoffs. His next job was at 3A Kirbyville. Kirbyville had losing seasons and hadn’t made the playoffs in 14 years. During his stay there he took Kirbyville to 2 state final appearances in 2008 and 2009. His next position was at Ennis. Ennis had not made long playoff runs since Sam Hairell had left. In two years he had Ennis back in the SC game in 2011 and won. He made it back to the semifinals twice but lost to Aledo. So he’s a winner if given the time and the players and community buy into his system Exactly. Can't ignore all those other turned around programs and a state title just because of whatever happened at Cove. When a coach is successful everywhere he goes except 1 program that makes it look like maybe that 1 program was the problem not the coach.
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Post by Coyotes2018 on Feb 20, 2020 11:28:55 GMT -6
I understand Alice screwed over Soza, but to say he left and flourished is wrong. Soza was 49-29 in Alice, giving him a winning percentage of 63%. Over his career he is averaging a 64% winning percentage so it seems to me like he did in Alice was he has done his whole career. Heck he left to Medina Valley and went 18-14 which is the worst hes done as a head coach...so to say he Flourished when leaving Alice is wrong. Also, Evans went 7-3 in Alice in 1 year who knows what would have happened if he stayed 3 years. It took him 3 years to get Miller to the playoffs which is a huge accomplishment but to say he flourished when leaving Alice is a bit unfair. He may have been able to accomplish a lot in Alice if he stayed but we just don't know. I get it, Alice is all screwed up but the coaches are great coaches no matter where they are/were, even in Alice. I didn't say those coaches were the problem. I said the opposite. I said the program/city culture possibly is the problem. Your win percentage example makes my point if he had the same basic win percentage at those other NON football tradition rich schools as he did in Alice. That makes AISD look like the problem. And I disagree with you saying it took Evans 3 years to turn Miller around. They were having 0-10 and 1-9 seasons before his arrival so immediately going 6-4 and more importantly being competitive says he immediately turned that program around. He hired a handful of college football playing experienced coaches at Miller that he wanted to take to Alice but Alice wasn't gonna pay them like CCISD does. That's an AISD problem. I realize you guys aren't gonna take my AISD comments seriously because of my recent history with them but nothing I'm saying is trolling or untrue. I'm not a complete jackass. I don't wish bad on the program I loved for 45 years but it is what it is, lots of politics and drama. Evans went 4-6 and 6-4 in his first two years..i like to use the playoffs as a measuring stick for turning a program around and that didn't happen until year 3. My argument is you said the coaches flourished when leaving Alice but that is untrue they were good when they got to Alice, they were good with Alice, and they are good out of Alice. As for the assistant coaches, Evans hired about 7 or 8 assistants when he got to Alice, he was able to bring whoever he chose...CCISD was only allowing him to take a couple of assistants when he first got to Miller so hes built his staff over the 3 years that he was there. Alice raised teacher pay to be somewhat competitive but they are still making less than CCISD. The big difference is an Athletic Director in Alice with 1 high school can issue out his sports stipends however he wants, so he could have handpicked a great coach and paid him a stipend higher than all the other assistants while at CCISD all coaches make a set stipend throughout the entire district.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 12:05:19 GMT -6
I didn't say those coaches were the problem. I said the opposite. I said the program/city culture possibly is the problem. Your win percentage example makes my point if he had the same basic win percentage at those other NON football tradition rich schools as he did in Alice. That makes AISD look like the problem. And I disagree with you saying it took Evans 3 years to turn Miller around. They were having 0-10 and 1-9 seasons before his arrival so immediately going 6-4 and more importantly being competitive says he immediately turned that program around. He hired a handful of college football playing experienced coaches at Miller that he wanted to take to Alice but Alice wasn't gonna pay them like CCISD does. That's an AISD problem. I realize you guys aren't gonna take my AISD comments seriously because of my recent history with them but nothing I'm saying is trolling or untrue. I'm not a complete jackass. I don't wish bad on the program I loved for 45 years but it is what it is, lots of politics and drama. Evans went 4-6 and 6-4 in his first two years..i like to use the playoffs as a measuring stick for turning a program around and that didn't happen until year 3. My argument is you said the coaches flourished when leaving Alice but that is untrue they were good when they got to Alice, they were good with Alice, and they are good out of Alice. As for the assistant coaches, Evans hired about 7 or 8 assistants when he got to Alice, he was able to bring whoever he chose...CCISD was only allowing him to take a couple of assistants when he first got to Miller so hes built his staff over the 3 years that he was there. Alice raised teacher pay to be somewhat competitive but they are still making less than CCISD. The big difference is an Athletic Director in Alice with 1 high school can issue out his sports stipends however he wants, so he could have handpicked a great coach and paid him a stipend higher than all the other assistants while at CCISD all coaches make a set stipend throughout the entire district. Evans went 6-4 not 4-6 his first season at Miller. And sorry but you don't have to have a playoff run for it to be considered a turned around program if its a program that was going 1-9 and getting completely blown out every season before he arrived. You're saying Evans could take whoever he wanted to Alice and that's misleading because AISD wasn't gonna pay enough so it didn't really matter if they said bring whoever you want. Might as well have told him he could bring Nick Saban with him because you know Nick Saban isn't coming for chump change. If you're gonna point out Soza's record at Medina Valley then point out how Medina Valley also gave Austin McCallum a better game in the 2017 playoffs than Alice did. The competition you play matters when comparing records. Alice had 55-60 kids on varsity when the previous coaches were here. They barely have 40 on the roster the last few years. The first step in fixing a problem is realizing you have one.
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