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Post by gpfan55 on Feb 19, 2020 10:40:19 GMT -6
Being involved in youth sports in this town I can tell you what the two problems are. Parents are having kids specialize in baseball at a huge rate. Families are making a committment to travel Baseball and Soccer. This in turn is pulling kids out of the talent pool.... The other issue is for lack of a better phrase the parents are a pain to deal with and attempt to undercut the coaching staff. This in turn hurts team chemistry. Most parents believe the road to playing college ball is easier in baseball. A 5'10" 170 lb kid can play college baseball but would probably not be a football prospect. This area doesn't have a lot of D1 football players but we do have several D1 baseball players. That thinking hurts other sports programs in South Texas.
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Post by gpballer4life on Feb 19, 2020 11:51:05 GMT -6
Being involved in youth sports in this town I can tell you what the two problems are. Parents are having kids specialize in baseball at a huge rate. Families are making a committment to travel Baseball and Soccer. This in turn is pulling kids out of the talent pool.... The other issue is for lack of a better phrase the parents are a pain to deal with and attempt to undercut the coaching staff. This in turn hurts team chemistry. Most parents believe the road to playing college ball is easier in baseball. A 5'10" 170 lb kid can play college baseball but would probably not be a football prospect. This area doesn't have a lot of D1 football players but we do have several D1 baseball players. That thinking hurts other sports programs in South Texas. I don't disagree with the parents thought process. I will tell you I have seen a lot of really good athletes pull out of football after JR. High or even prior to that. If I had one suggestion for our current regime it would be to get involved in the youth organizations because they are the breeding grown for our athletic programs.
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Post by wfcoyote on Feb 19, 2020 12:38:51 GMT -6
Baseball is a boys game, Football is a Man’s game. Football separates men from boys. Football is the last bastion of manliness.
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Post by gpfan55 on Feb 19, 2020 13:11:22 GMT -6
Most parents believe the road to playing college ball is easier in baseball. A 5'10" 170 lb kid can play college baseball but would probably not be a football prospect. This area doesn't have a lot of D1 football players but we do have several D1 baseball players. That thinking hurts other sports programs in South Texas. I don't disagree with the parents thought process. I will tell you I have seen a lot of really good athletes pull out of football after JR. High or even prior to that. If I had one suggestion for our current regime it would be to get involved in the youth organizations because they are the breeding grown for our athletic programs. I agree the youth programs are key to successful HS programs.
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Post by ccwarcat on Feb 19, 2020 15:54:45 GMT -6
This past season, 4 scholarship baseball players were extremely integral parts of the Vets football team. Without those players, it's a different team... and one that probably doesn't get the W over Miller in Round 3. Why don't the GP boys play both sports? College coach after college coach will say that they prefer their recruits to be multi-sport athletes.
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Post by gp37 on Feb 19, 2020 15:57:52 GMT -6
GPISD approves $6.5 million middle school athletic complex. The facility would have bleachers seating 400 people on the home side and 400 bleachers seating people on the visitors side. Portable bleachers at the Tennis court that would seat 50 more people. It would have full LED lights off the field and the track so you would be able to have track meets at night.
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Post by picodegallo on Feb 19, 2020 16:35:25 GMT -6
Being involved in youth sports in this town I can tell you what the two problems are. Parents are having kids specialize in baseball at a huge rate. Families are making a committment to travel Baseball and Soccer. This in turn is pulling kids out of the talent pool.... The other issue is for lack of a better phrase the parents are a pain to deal with and attempt to undercut the coaching staff. This in turn hurts team chemistry. The amount of money parents are putting into travel baseball and other year around sports is unreal. Really some of the dollars spent by some parents who had kids who grew up with mine , they could have paid for a full four years of college and then some. And many of these kids (now young men) didn't even touch a college baseball field. It wasn't that some were not talented enough. They were BURNED out. And the medical evidence is becoming more and more obvious that many of the sports related injuries such as TJ and ACL tears which were very rare if not almost unheard of a couple of decades in youth sports are the direct result of repetetive use thanks in part to travel ball. And sadly most if not all of these travel ball teams WILL NOT pay for your kids surgery or rehab. But you know what is more nuts than travel or year around baseball, soccer, volleyball, basketball ? YEAR AROUND FULL PADS FOOTBALL! And yes I saw some of that going on this last weekend at John Paul when driving by their stadium to get to that side of town. Seriously some parents REALLY need to get a clue. Just one fricken clue.
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Post by picodegallo on Feb 19, 2020 16:47:21 GMT -6
This past season, 4 scholarship baseball players were extremely integral parts of the Vets football team. Without those players, it's a different team... and one that probably doesn't get the W over Miller in Round 3. Why don't the GP boys play both sports? College coach after college coach will say that they prefer their recruits to be multi-sport athletes. Because a few of them are aiming for the pros and skipping college all together. Did you see the news clip on Kelley from Refugio last night over in London with all the MLB scouts there for a scrimmage? That is certainly most high school kids dreams and I saw it more than a few times over the years here in Calallen. Some they scouted here made it to the top while others tried but for one reason or another didn't get there and a few are still trying. And believe me a number of travel ball coaches and clubs here in this area and close by have made there reputations by being able to associate their names with such and such player who is playing in whatever MLB system which further feeds these kids to think they have to give up all other sports and concentrate on baseball in order to make it to the the next level. So what college coaches and former MLB players and managers are saying to encourage multi sport participation is being ignored in some quarters and sadly to say some is parent driven. I will say I do know a few parents who are pro active with their baseball only kids (or were when they were in school) and took the time off needed for the kids to rest. But at the end of the day, even if you get a chance to sniff the minors right out of high school, the chances of making it to the MLB and making even a modest salary are slim. You might get a nice sigh on bonus right out of high school if you are picked in the 3rd round , but it will be gone in no time after you pay your agent and spend time on the payroll of the minor league system team for which it isn't that much nor glorious.
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Post by picodegallo on Feb 19, 2020 16:58:10 GMT -6
Most parents believe the road to playing college ball is easier in baseball. A 5'10" 170 lb kid can play college baseball but would probably not be a football prospect. This area doesn't have a lot of D1 football players but we do have several D1 baseball players. That thinking hurts other sports programs in South Texas. I don't disagree with the parents thought process. I will tell you I have seen a lot of really good athletes pull out of football after JR. High or even prior to that. If I had one suggestion for our current regime it would be to get involved in the youth organizations because they are the breeding grown for our athletic programs. I would rather the local schools start middle school baseball like they have in other parts of the state in order to weed out those kids who would drop football later so other kids who are late bloomers or didn't get as much playing time on the "A" teams might stick to football . Some get looked over because the baseball studs who would later quit football either their freshmen year or year after got the playing time on the "A" teams. Saw that a few times here at Cal. It also would benefit other sports like basketball and track for the reason. If they are going the board the year around thing, let them do it earlier.
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Post by ccwarcat on Feb 19, 2020 20:51:20 GMT -6
I have never been a fan of these “select” teams in any sport. I’ve witnessed several kids on those teams that flat out are not very good... BUT, parents buy them a spot. It’s so strange to me. To me, is a great big fabrication of a business. Parents from all over the state and nation make this make belief system, where kids get praise and whatnot. I’ve seen several select soccer teams that “won state” that would be wiped out by the high school team most of the players played on.
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Post by gpjohn on Feb 19, 2020 21:17:24 GMT -6
Many (most?) “select” teams are about selecting parents that will pay for their kid to play. Kid plays more baseball, yes they get better. But I’ve seen lots of hotshot select players who were no better than the average little leaguer. I once had a parent of a 12 yr old tell me on all seriousness that their plan was to look at the team and the deal they were offering when he was drafted out of high school, and if they did not like the money, or thought the team was not a good fit, they would just go play MAJOR college ball for a year and then go back in The MLB draft. kid did not even start his senior year in HS.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Feb 20, 2020 6:35:19 GMT -6
Many (most?) “select” teams are about selecting parents that will pay for their kid to play. Kid plays more baseball, yes they get better. But I’ve seen lots of hotshot select players who were no better than the average little leaguer. I once had a parent of a 12 yr old tell me on all seriousness that their plan was to look at the team and the deal they were offering when he was drafted out of high school, and if they did not like the money, or thought the team was not a good fit, they would just go play MAJOR college ball for a year and then go back in The MLB draft. kid did not even start his senior year in HS. lmao Yup GPJ, the problem is that a ton of parents today live their lives through their kids...…...and it isn't just in sports! You should see the youth stock shows and how bad it has gotten there. I was so damn thankful my kids had no interest in showing animals!! It is all about the parents now. They talk about we instead of my child. What the hell does 'we' have to do with a kid showing an animal? Back in the day if we didn't have a calf the right age we went to 3-4 neighboring farms and picked a nice looking bull calf out, bought him for market rate from that farmer, took him home and cut his yayas, halter broke him, and worked with him at least an hour a day for the next 8-9 months to get him show ready. Now the rich parents/grandparents hire 'steer jockeys', buy club calves at sales for as much as $50k, put them in enclosed/cooled barns to grow hair, and the kids then walk em across a show ring when it is time. Just flat sad as hell! Sports have gotten the same way with the egotistic parents....whether it is football, basketball, baseball, V-ball...whatever. Hovering, helicoptering, overzealous parents who think their kid is the next Tom Brady or Nolan Ryan. It really is pretty damn sickening at times. And to be honest, while my kids were at Steele we got to know a lot of parents who's kids played with my son and even before him while my daughter was in band and it amazed me that the true superiorly talented kids like Malcolm Brown, Tommy Armstrong, Jordan & Caden Sterns, LG Williams, etc etc had parents that were truly humble, good folks.
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Post by SintonFan_InAustin on Feb 20, 2020 8:58:11 GMT -6
Sinton has a few from GP that orginally were from Portland and they all pretty good in baseball a couple 6'3 are strictly baseball only now. Glad they made the move to Sinton.
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Post by picodegallo on Feb 20, 2020 9:01:17 GMT -6
Many (most?) “select” teams are about selecting parents that will pay for their kid to play. Kid plays more baseball, yes they get better. But I’ve seen lots of hotshot select players who were no better than the average little leaguer. I once had a parent of a 12 yr old tell me on all seriousness that their plan was to look at the team and the deal they were offering when he was drafted out of high school, and if they did not like the money, or thought the team was not a good fit, they would just go play MAJOR college ball for a year and then go back in The MLB draft. kid did not even start his senior year in HS. lmao Yup GPJ, the problem is that a ton of parents today live their lives through their kids...…...and it isn't just in sports! You should see the youth stock shows and how bad it has gotten there. I was so damn thankful my kids had no interest in showing animals!! It is all about the parents now. They talk about we instead of my child. What the hell does 'we' have to do with a kid showing an animal? Back in the day if we didn't have a calf the right age we went to 3-4 neighboring farms and picked a nice looking bull calf out, bought him for market rate from that farmer, took him home and cut his yayas, halter broke him, and worked with him at least an hour a day for the next 8-9 months to get him show ready. Now the rich parents/grandparents hire 'steer jockeys', buy club calves at sales for as much as $50k, put them in enclosed/cooled barns to grow hair, and the kids then walk em across a show ring when it is time. Just flat sad as hell! Sports have gotten the same way with the egotistic parents....whether it is football, basketball, baseball, V-ball...whatever. Hovering, helicoptering, overzealous parents who think their kid is the next Tom Brady or Nolan Ryan. It really is pretty damn sickening at times. And to be honest, while my kids were at Steele we got to know a lot of parents who's kids played with my son and even before him while my daughter was in band and it amazed me that the true superiorly talented kids like Malcolm Brown, Tommy Armstrong, Jordan & Caden Sterns, LG Williams, etc etc had parents that were truly humble, good folks. This is spot on from start to finish. I kind get a laugh during stock show time around here with some of the shop projects I see posted on Facebook with an eight year old holding a ribbon and you think to your self that kid must of been one hell of a good welder! LOL! Along those lines, social media is probably responsible for a lot of the parent driven non sense both in the competition fields and barn. And it can get awfully brutal when they feel one their kids got screwed or another member or members of the team didn't perform well which caused her darling to not play to his/her best ability. Notices I said HER because at least on my Facebook feed, it's the moms that go overboard with this stuff. And I mean WAAAAAYYYY the hell overboard.
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Post by picodegallo on Feb 20, 2020 9:02:51 GMT -6
Many (most?) “select” teams are about selecting parents that will pay for their kid to play. Kid plays more baseball, yes they get better. But I’ve seen lots of hotshot select players who were no better than the average little leaguer. I once had a parent of a 12 yr old tell me on all seriousness that their plan was to look at the team and the deal they were offering when he was drafted out of high school, and if they did not like the money, or thought the team was not a good fit, they would just go play MAJOR college ball for a year and then go back in The MLB draft. kid did not even start his senior year in HS. It's a song I've seen repeated here on a few occasions. I think the whole concept behind "select" was well intended when it first started. But then it got out of hand with select teams being formed as far down as almost the T-ball level and then some of the big sports gear manufactures got involved and it just became a money making machine... err scam.
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