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Post by Tom on Jul 9, 2012 20:54:51 GMT -6
As a matter of fact, they are, not by the police, but by the victims. Sad, but true. Worst cases are sexual, domestic and child abuse, a large proportion of these go unreported. Along with crimes in the inner cities. Don't snitch I think is a common saying. Murders are hard to under report as you have evidence (dead body) altough you might not have a suspect or a motive. But the other things like assaults of all types, theft and other reportable crimes certainly don't make it accross the desk at a bunch of inner city police precients. Well, you also have problems with illegal immigrants, who are often reluctant to report crimes -- don't want to draw the attention of authorities. This could be making a few cities on this list look safer than they really are.
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Post by FB fan on Jul 10, 2012 6:19:05 GMT -6
Along with crimes in the inner cities. Don't snitch I think is a common saying. Murders are hard to under report as you have evidence (dead body) altough you might not have a suspect or a motive. But the other things like assaults of all types, theft and other reportable crimes certainly don't make it accross the desk at a bunch of inner city police precients. Well, you also have problems with illegal immigrants, who are often reluctant to report crimes -- don't want to draw the attention of authorities. This could be making a few cities on this list look safer than they really are. You mean a second crime.
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Post by gpjohn on Jul 10, 2012 7:20:53 GMT -6
What crimes are included in the calculation? The problem with crime indices such as these is that often, they're lumping murder in with petty larceny. Also, cities with a lot of tourists tend to have "artificially" high crime rates because they're based on the permanent population. I remember when I worked at the DA's office in Cameron County, South Padre Island had some ungodly high crime rate because it's calculated based on the 3,000 or so people who live there year-round. I read the FBI website, I think it includes crimes against persons....Murder, assault, rape, armed robbery etc. Does not include property crimes like burglery, auto theft etc. I'm guessing some communities "fudge" more than others.
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Post by DD Booger on Jul 10, 2012 7:42:49 GMT -6
I'm guessing some communities "fudge" more than others. Absolutely, there are 3 different reporting agencies. I know NIBHRS is one, can't think of the other two off the bat. The reporting was/is very inconsistent. That said, some departments are likely pressured to minimize in order to preserve property value and inversely in some areas you want to drive that price into the ground, then have it purchased at the low end and policed intensely after to drive the price back up. I believe Houston has done this to reclaim their urban areas around Minutemaid, hell, not 5-6 years ago I got lost and ended up in a neighborhood that looked like a 3rd world country. Lots of steering committees and groups with private interests sort of police these things. One of my buddies works in one of these groups. I don't think they do the leaning, but they are certainly well connected with those that do.
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Post by gpjohn on Jul 10, 2012 8:39:59 GMT -6
I'm guessing some communities "fudge" more than others. Absolutely, there are 3 different reporting agencies. I know NIBHRS is one, can't think of the other two off the bat. The reporting was/is very inconsistent. That said, some departments are likely pressured to minimize in order to preserve property value and inversely in some areas you want to drive that price into the ground, then have it purchased at the low end and policed intensely after to drive the price back up. I believe Houston has done this to reclaim their urban areas around Minutemaid, hell, not 5-6 years ago I got lost and ended up in a neighborhood that looked like a 3rd world country. Lots of steering committees and groups with private interests sort of police these things. One of my buddies works in one of these groups. I don't think they do the leaning, but they are certainly well connected with those that do. Statistics can be used to prove or disprove most anything. A good debater can use the same statistics to argue either side of a point. There are a few master debaters on here
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Post by FB fan on Jul 10, 2012 9:06:07 GMT -6
Like the man said, in worsening degrees it goes: lies, damn lies then statistics.
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Post by DD Booger on Jul 10, 2012 9:40:07 GMT -6
Absolutely, there are 3 different reporting agencies. I know NIBHRS is one, can't think of the other two off the bat. The reporting was/is very inconsistent. That said, some departments are likely pressured to minimize in order to preserve property value and inversely in some areas you want to drive that price into the ground, then have it purchased at the low end and policed intensely after to drive the price back up. I believe Houston has done this to reclaim their urban areas around Minutemaid, hell, not 5-6 years ago I got lost and ended up in a neighborhood that looked like a 3rd world country. Lots of steering committees and groups with private interests sort of police these things. One of my buddies works in one of these groups. I don't think they do the leaning, but they are certainly well connected with those that do. Statistics can be used to prove or disprove most anything. A good debater can use the same statistics to argue either side of a point. There are a few master debaters on here Stats are only as good as your measure. If you don't have validity or reliability, they're bogus. You have to be able to explain enough variability to state with any confidence a prediction. Criminal statistics are very difficult to trust, self report surveys show that even in affluent areas, adolescents are committing crimes that are going unreported or unrealized.
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Post by Tom on Jul 10, 2012 22:21:48 GMT -6
Well, you also have problems with illegal immigrants, who are often reluctant to report crimes -- don't want to draw the attention of authorities. This could be making a few cities on this list look safer than they really are. You mean a second crime. Reporting the second crime would require them to report the first.
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