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Post by Hounhound on Jun 10, 2023 15:38:05 GMT -6
The Bryan Vikings have qualified for the State 7on7 Tourney for the first time since 2007.
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6A 7on7
Jun 13, 2023 13:30:50 GMT -6
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Post by BandidoNB on Jun 13, 2023 13:30:50 GMT -6
Does 7 on 7 success have any bearing on regular season success? I follow New Braunfels and I’m not aware that NB ever participates. Does it matter?
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Post by Clemensbuff on Jun 13, 2023 14:05:01 GMT -6
Does 7 on 7 success have any bearing on regular season success? I follow New Braunfels and I’m not aware that NB ever participates. Does it matter? IMHO.................NOPE! I don't remember NS, Duncanville, DeSoto, Katy, Aledo ever winning state in 7 on 7 throw the ball around touch football. But they are all pretty damn good with pads on and lineman on the field! lmao
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Post by oldcatnewhornet on Jun 13, 2023 14:05:30 GMT -6
Does 7 on 7 success have any bearing on regular season success? I follow New Braunfels and I’m not aware that NB ever participates. Does it matter? i don’t think it does
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6A 7on7
Jun 18, 2023 22:46:33 GMT -6
Post by mattsteppdctf on Jun 18, 2023 22:46:33 GMT -6
Does 7 on 7 success have any bearing on regular season success? I follow New Braunfels and I’m not aware that NB ever participates. Does it matter? IMHO.................NOPE! I don't remember NS, Duncanville, DeSoto, Katy, Aledo ever winning state in 7 on 7 throw the ball around touch football. But they are all pretty damn good with pads on and lineman on the field! lmao DeSoto won state in 7on7 last year and in real football....the numbers from teams who have success at the State 7on7 tournament and how that translates to real football are actually pretty telling...there is a correlation to being good at 7on7 and good at real football....
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Post by Clemensbuff on Jun 19, 2023 5:54:17 GMT -6
IMHO.................NOPE! I don't remember NS, Duncanville, DeSoto, Katy, Aledo ever winning state in 7 on 7 throw the ball around touch football. But they are all pretty damn good with pads on and lineman on the field! lmao DeSoto won state in 7on7 last year and in real football....the numbers from teams who have success at the State 7on7 tournament and how that translates to real football are actually pretty telling...there is a correlation to being good at 7on7 and good at real football.... In the last 10 years (50 state titles in 2a through 6a) there is EXACTLY 1 team that won 7 on 7 and the state title the next season and that was DeSoto last year. Sorry, but the correlation is not there!
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Post by mattsteppdctf on Jun 19, 2023 7:15:45 GMT -6
DeSoto won state in 7on7 last year and in real football....the numbers from teams who have success at the State 7on7 tournament and how that translates to real football are actually pretty telling...there is a correlation to being good at 7on7 and good at real football.... In the last 10 years (50 state titles in 2a through 6a) there is EXACTLY 1 team that won 7 on 7 and the state title the next season and that was DeSoto last year. Sorry, but the correlation is not there! You are correct; below is the list of teams who have won state in 7on7 and in the fall. It's not a like to like comparison because not everyone plays State level 7on7 in fact I believe less than 40% of UIL 11man schools enter even one qualifying tournamnet, so from a data perspective I focus on the teams that do play and how they do instead of; looking at how many state champs in the fall, district champs etc. because your starting sample size is already much smaller. Tyler Lee – 2004, Celina – 2000 & 2007, Lake Travis – 2010, Melissa – 2011, DeSoto -2022 However, I personally dont view winning state as the only measure of a good season. In the last few years these 7on7 champions have had really good seasons as well: 2013: Graham (state semifinals) 2014: Graham (state semifinals) 2015: Austin Westlake (state finalist) 2016: The Woodlands (state finalist) 2017: Graham (state semifinalist) 2017: Lake Travis (state finalist) 2018: Midlothian Heritage (regional semifinalist) 2018: Gunter (state semifinalist) 2019: Sunnyvale (regional semifinalist) 2022: Hitchcock (regional semifinalist) The metric I've used in the past for a true comparison between 7on7 success and fall success is making the state 7on7 quarterfinals...I feel like if you get to the final 8 on Day 2 you are a really good 7on7 team. These are the fall records from the past few seasons of those 8 qtrfinalists, you can see here, success in 7on7 has indeed correlated to success in the fall and if you dig into these teams, you'll see there are a lot of traditional powers in the fall doing well in 7on7 2022 D1: 85-19 2022 D2: 65-34 2022 D3: 59-37 2021 D1: 83-22 2021 D2: 76-24 2021 D3: 83-20 2019 D1: 91-13 2019 D2: 78-24 2019 D3: 79-24 2018 D1: 62-32 2018 D2: 79-27 2018 D3: 68-28
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6A 7on7
Jun 19, 2023 16:42:05 GMT -6
Post by Hounhound on Jun 19, 2023 16:42:05 GMT -6
In the last 10 years (50 state titles in 2a through 6a) there is EXACTLY 1 team that won 7 on 7 and the state title the next season and that was DeSoto last year. Sorry, but the correlation is not there! You are correct; below is the list of teams who have won state in 7on7 and in the fall. It's not a like to like comparison because not everyone plays State level 7on7 in fact I believe less than 40% of UIL 11man schools enter even one qualifying tournamnet, so from a data perspective I focus on the teams that do play and how they do instead of; looking at how many state champs in the fall, district champs etc. because your starting sample size is already much smaller. Tyler Lee – 2004, Celina – 2000 & 2007, Lake Travis – 2010, Melissa – 2011, DeSoto -2022 However, I personally dont view winning state as the only measure of a good season. In the last few years these 7on7 champions have had really good seasons as well: 2013: Graham (state semifinals) 2014: Graham (state semifinals) 2015: Austin Westlake (state finalist) 2016: The Woodlands (state finalist) 2017: Graham (state semifinalist) 2017: Lake Travis (state finalist) 2018: Midlothian Heritage (regional semifinalist) 2018: Gunter (state semifinalist) 2019: Sunnyvale (regional semifinalist) 2022: Hitchcock (regional semifinalist) The metric I've used in the past for a true comparison between 7on7 success and fall success is making the state 7on7 quarterfinals...I feel like if you get to the final 8 on Day 2 you are a really good 7on7 team. These are the fall records from the past few seasons of those 8 qtrfinalists, you can see here, success in 7on7 has indeed correlated to success in the fall and if you dig into these teams, you'll see there are a lot of traditional powers in the fall doing well in 7on7 2022 D1: 85-19 2022 D2: 65-34 2022 D3: 59-37 2021 D1: 83-22 2021 D2: 76-24 2021 D3: 83-20 2019 D1: 91-13 2019 D2: 78-24 2019 D3: 79-24 2018 D1: 62-32 2018 D2: 79-27 2018 D3: 68-28 Traditional powers will do well in the fall regardless of participation in 7 on 7. Thats why they are TRADITIONAL POWERS.
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6A 7on7
Jun 19, 2023 17:55:50 GMT -6
Post by mattsteppdctf on Jun 19, 2023 17:55:50 GMT -6
You are correct; below is the list of teams who have won state in 7on7 and in the fall. It's not a like to like comparison because not everyone plays State level 7on7 in fact I believe less than 40% of UIL 11man schools enter even one qualifying tournamnet, so from a data perspective I focus on the teams that do play and how they do instead of; looking at how many state champs in the fall, district champs etc. because your starting sample size is already much smaller. Tyler Lee – 2004, Celina – 2000 & 2007, Lake Travis – 2010, Melissa – 2011, DeSoto -2022 However, I personally dont view winning state as the only measure of a good season. In the last few years these 7on7 champions have had really good seasons as well: 2013: Graham (state semifinals) 2014: Graham (state semifinals) 2015: Austin Westlake (state finalist) 2016: The Woodlands (state finalist) 2017: Graham (state semifinalist) 2017: Lake Travis (state finalist) 2018: Midlothian Heritage (regional semifinalist) 2018: Gunter (state semifinalist) 2019: Sunnyvale (regional semifinalist) 2022: Hitchcock (regional semifinalist) The metric I've used in the past for a true comparison between 7on7 success and fall success is making the state 7on7 quarterfinals...I feel like if you get to the final 8 on Day 2 you are a really good 7on7 team. These are the fall records from the past few seasons of those 8 qtrfinalists, you can see here, success in 7on7 has indeed correlated to success in the fall and if you dig into these teams, you'll see there are a lot of traditional powers in the fall doing well in 7on7 2022 D1: 85-19 2022 D2: 65-34 2022 D3: 59-37 2021 D1: 83-22 2021 D2: 76-24 2021 D3: 83-20 2019 D1: 91-13 2019 D2: 78-24 2019 D3: 79-24 2018 D1: 62-32 2018 D2: 79-27 2018 D3: 68-28 Traditional powers will do well in the fall regardless of participation in 7 on 7. Thats why they are TRADITIONAL POWERS. Absolutely...teams who are good at football are generally good at all types of football....but look at a team like Harmony from last year...no one had any idea about them last year...they make the semis in 7on7 and then it turns into a semifinal run in the fall....those are some of the fast risers that really can jump off the page...Hitchcock was another one thats not a traditional power but you could see that turn coming or even Wichita Falls who made the semis last year and turned that into a regional final run in the fall...always nuggets to be obtained
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6A 7on7
Jun 20, 2023 5:37:39 GMT -6
Post by Clemensbuff on Jun 20, 2023 5:37:39 GMT -6
In the last 10 years (50 state titles in 2a through 6a) there is EXACTLY 1 team that won 7 on 7 and the state title the next season and that was DeSoto last year. Sorry, but the correlation is not there! You are correct; below is the list of teams who have won state in 7on7 and in the fall. It's not a like to like comparison because not everyone plays State level 7on7 in fact I believe less than 40% of UIL 11man schools enter even one qualifying tournamnet, so from a data perspective I focus on the teams that do play and how they do instead of; looking at how many state champs in the fall, district champs etc. because your starting sample size is already much smaller. Tyler Lee – 2004, Celina – 2000 & 2007, Lake Travis – 2010, Melissa – 2011, DeSoto -2022 However, I personally dont view winning state as the only measure of a good season. In the last few years these 7on7 champions have had really good seasons as well: 2013: Graham (state semifinals) 2014: Graham (state semifinals) 2015: Austin Westlake (state finalist) 2016: The Woodlands (state finalist) 2017: Graham (state semifinalist) 2017: Lake Travis (state finalist) 2018: Midlothian Heritage (regional semifinalist) 2018: Gunter (state semifinalist) 2019: Sunnyvale (regional semifinalist) 2022: Hitchcock (regional semifinalist) The metric I've used in the past for a true comparison between 7on7 success and fall success is making the state 7on7 quarterfinals...I feel like if you get to the final 8 on Day 2 you are a really good 7on7 team. These are the fall records from the past few seasons of those 8 qtrfinalists, you can see here, success in 7on7 has indeed correlated to success in the fall and if you dig into these teams, you'll see there are a lot of traditional powers in the fall doing well in 7on7 2022 D1: 85-19 2022 D2: 65-34 2022 D3: 59-37 2021 D1: 83-22 2021 D2: 76-24 2021 D3: 83-20 2019 D1: 91-13 2019 D2: 78-24 2019 D3: 79-24 2018 D1: 62-32 2018 D2: 79-27 2018 D3: 68-28 I've NEVER stated that the only measure of a good season was winning a state title. But, it is the measure of a truly great season and what each and every team in the state is out there trying to do. In response to the teams you listed above: Graham - They've been winning at a high level since about 2005 or so with only a couple of missed playoff seasons in those years and only a couple more where they only went 1 or 2 games deep. You have 3 years listed above where they made the state semis in the year that that they won the 7 on 7. Well, they made the semis in 2012 & 2020 and even made the finals in 2009 so it appears they did just as well if not better in the years they didn't kill it in touch football. Austin Westlake - Stop it already. They have been winning football games since the 80s and have been to the finals 11 times winning 4 of those yet have killed it in touch football 1 time? The Woodlands - Another team that has been winning football games for a long, long time without 7 on 7 and made as many finals when not being a 7 on 7 champ as they have being one! Lake Travis - They've won 6 titles in years they were NOT 7 on 7 champs. Not a good one for your side of the argument here at all. Midlothian Heritage - They were regional semi-finalist the 2 years prior to the year you posted and again last year. They also went to the regional finals the year after they blew it up in 7 on 7. Again, not really good for your argument. Gunter - From 2016 to 2022 they are 36-4 in the playoffs with 3 state titles and 3 state runner-up. Again, cherry picking 2018 because they did really good in touch football is just that...CHERRY PICKING. Sunnyvale - Went as far in 2020 as they did in that 2019 season you posted and went further in 2015. So again, a team that was already good in 11 on 11 football before they were good in 7 on 7. Hitchcock - Regional Finalist way back in 1988 and again in 2015 with at least 2 other runs as deep as last years was. You can choose whatever narrative you'd like to but the bottom line is 7 on 7 has absolutely NO bearing at all with real football once the pads come on and the big uglies hit the field in the fall. I'm sure it is good for you to cover and sell more subscriptions but there is no way anyone is going to try and sell me what you are trying hard to sell here. Since you have a ton of data at your disposal, go ahead and post up the last 50 state champs from 2a to 6a (10 years) and show us where those teams ended up in 7 on 7 the previous summer.
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Post by mattsteppdctf on Jun 20, 2023 8:36:39 GMT -6
There's a difference between correlation and causation...I've only pointed out a correlation to teams that win in real football also win in 7on7...its never a like to like comparison, but there are trends to be had and uncovered. Correlation not causation
You never stated winning state was the only measure of success, but it was also the only metric you stated in an earlier post, so i figured I'd at least give My take that winning state is not the only measurement of success for a team
I will correct you on one thing...yes 7on7 gives us something to cover in May/June but its almost all free coverage I doubt we sell one subscription off 7on7 coverage.
The teams I listed weren't cherry picking, those were the years those teams won state in 7on7 and I correlated that to their fall football season...if they didn't win state 7on7 they weren't listed.
I can definitely do the 50 state Champs for you, but most of the data will N/A because how do you quantify a team who wins state in the fall but doesn't participate in qualifiers...but I think the data for the teams that do play will show those teams most likely were also good at 7on7
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Post by mattsteppdctf on Jun 20, 2023 8:47:32 GMT -6
Also if there's a typo or something in my previous post it's because I did it from my phone..traveling today lol
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6A 7on7
Jun 21, 2023 7:06:11 GMT -6
Post by mattsteppdctf on Jun 21, 2023 7:06:11 GMT -6
Here's how the 2012 fall state champs did in 7on7 that previous summer (note if teams dont play SQTs its impossible to determine how they did in 7on7 because local league play is not organized)
2012 1A D1: Stamford (did not participate) 2012 1A D2: Munday (did not participate) 2012 2A D1: Cameron Yoe (qualified for state; lost in 1st Rd of D2 championship bracket) 2012 2A D2: East Bernard (qualified for state; lost in Rd of 16 of D2 consolation bracket 2012 3A D1: Stephenville (qualified for state; lost in 1st Rd of D2 championship bracket) 2012 3A D2: Navasota (qualified for state; lost in in the D2 semifinals) 2012 4A D1: Denton Guyer (did not participate) 2012 4A D2: Cedar Park (did not participate) 2012 5A D1: Allen (did not participate) 2012 5A D2: Katy (qualified for state lost in 1st Rd of the D1 championship bracket)
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6A 7on7
Jun 21, 2023 7:12:30 GMT -6
Post by mattsteppdctf on Jun 21, 2023 7:12:30 GMT -6
2013 1A D1: Stamford (did not participate) 2013 1A D2: Wellington (qualified in D2; lost in 1st Rd consolation bracket) 2013 2A D1: Cameron Yoe (qualified for state; lost in Rd of 16 consolation bracket) 2013 2A D2: Cisco (did not participate) 2013 3A D1: Carthage (qualified for state; won consolation championship) 2013 3A D2: Argyle (qualified for state; lost in the championship round) 2013 4A D1: Denton Guyer (did not participate) 2013 4A D2: Aledo (did not participate) 2013 5A D1: Allen (did not participate) 2013 5A D2: Cedar Hill (qualified for state; lost in Rd of 16 consolation bracket)
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6A 7on7
Jun 21, 2023 7:20:23 GMT -6
Post by mattsteppdctf on Jun 21, 2023 7:20:23 GMT -6
2014 2A D1: Canadian (did not participate) 2014 2A D2: Bremond (did not qualify) 2014 3A D1: Cameron Yoe (did not qualify) 2014 3A D2: Waskom (did not participate) 2014 4A D1: Navasota (qualified for state; lost in D2 Rd of 16) 2014 4A D2: Gilmer (qualified for state; lost in D2 Rd of 16) 2014 5A D1: Aledo (did not participate) 2014 5A D2: Ennis (did not participate) 2014 6A D1: Allen (qualified for state; lost in D1 Qtrfinals) 2014 6A D2: Cedar Hill (qualified for state; lost in D1 Rd of 32)
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