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Post by Clemensbuff on Oct 25, 2022 8:49:41 GMT -6
Yes I know one time they went 5A then sold their soul again to the UIL to drop back down by half a student... but to play devil's advocate, 6a is different than the then 5a. Because at one time 4a was the biggest, so are the same as 6a?, 2a was also the biggest, are they the same as 6a? Of course there was also a time with no classifications, same as 6a? Now my point being just because they were classified at the bottom of then 5A, doesn't necessarily mean that would have been 6A had that been around back then. They would have probably been 5AD1 at that point. Same type of situation back in 2006 with San Marcos, they were the smallest 5A school with just 13 kids over the cut off, in with Westlake, Bowie, Seguin, Austin High, Anderson, Akins, and Bastrop. Had 6A existed they would have been 5AD1. Pre-1980 4A is 6A, just like pre-2014 5A is 6A. Here’s why. Before 2014, Class 5A was the current 6A. All they did was give six-man teams an “A” designation, which moved Class A teams to 2A, and then 2A became 3A, and so forth. Same thing happened to 4A in 1980. All Class B schools were designated Class A schools, which turned A to 2A, then 2A to 3A, then 3A to 4A, and finally 4A to 5A. So we haven’t actually had a truly new classification in decades; we’ve just been creating more districts and, later on, more divisions within the classifications. I guess one could say that the mid 2000’s 5A Highland Park isn’t truly today’s 6A due to current enrollment cutoffs, but let’s remember that the true definition of 6A (old 5A) is that you were one of the largest schools in the state. The cutoffs will gradually go up over time due to growth. If Highland Park was 5A, it’s because they were one of the 225 or so largest schools in the state. Yup And it was said by a lot of folks that the 4a/5a & now 5a/6a cutoff number was HP's enrollment each time! lol It of course wasn't true but there were many realignment years where the Scotts were the biggest enrollment # in their classification and when they were not they were top 5.
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Post by warcat82 on Oct 25, 2022 10:31:25 GMT -6
Yes I know one time they went 5A then sold their soul again to the UIL to drop back down by half a student... but to play devil's advocate, 6a is different than the then 5a. Because at one time 4a was the biggest, so are the same as 6a?, 2a was also the biggest, are they the same as 6a? Of course there was also a time with no classifications, same as 6a? Now my point being just because they were classified at the bottom of then 5A, doesn't necessarily mean that would have been 6A had that been around back then. They would have probably been 5AD1 at that point. Same type of situation back in 2006 with San Marcos, they were the smallest 5A school with just 13 kids over the cut off, in with Westlake, Bowie, Seguin, Austin High, Anderson, Akins, and Bastrop. Had 6A existed they would have been 5AD1. Pre-1980 4A is 6A, just like pre-2014 5A is 6A. Here’s why. Before 2014, Class 5A was the current 6A. All they did was give six-man teams an “A” designation, which moved Class A teams to 2A, and then 2A became 3A, and so forth. Same thing happened to 4A in 1980. All Class B schools were designated Class A schools, which turned A to 2A, then 2A to 3A, then 3A to 4A, and finally 4A to 5A. So we haven’t actually had a truly new classification in decades; we’ve just been creating more districts and, later on, more divisions within the classifications. I guess one could say that the mid 2000’s 5A Highland Park isn’t truly today’s 6A due to current enrollment cutoffs, but let’s remember that the true definition of 6A (old 5A) is that you were one of the largest schools in the state. The cutoffs will gradually go up over time due to growth. If Highland Park was 5A, it’s because they were one of the 225 or so largest schools in the state. So my point about the 6A being different is back in the 80s and 90s we didn't see these super schools with 3000-6000 kids... when those schools double, triple, or more the enrollment of what was the "biggest" Highland Park schools, that's different to me. I understand the change that was made, a stupid change in my opinion, given that most of the ones pushing for 6A to happen were the ones wanting to get the super schools out of playing much smaller "big" schools.
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Post by BandidoNB on Oct 25, 2022 10:54:37 GMT -6
Pre-1980 4A is 6A, just like pre-2014 5A is 6A. Here’s why. Before 2014, Class 5A was the current 6A. All they did was give six-man teams an “A” designation, which moved Class A teams to 2A, and then 2A became 3A, and so forth. Same thing happened to 4A in 1980. All Class B schools were designated Class A schools, which turned A to 2A, then 2A to 3A, then 3A to 4A, and finally 4A to 5A. So we haven’t actually had a truly new classification in decades; we’ve just been creating more districts and, later on, more divisions within the classifications. I guess one could say that the mid 2000’s 5A Highland Park isn’t truly today’s 6A due to current enrollment cutoffs, but let’s remember that the true definition of 6A (old 5A) is that you were one of the largest schools in the state. The cutoffs will gradually go up over time due to growth. If Highland Park was 5A, it’s because they were one of the 225 or so largest schools in the state. So my point about the 6A being different is back in the 80s and 90s we didn't see these super schools with 3000-6000 kids... when those schools double, triple, or more the enrollment of what was the "biggest" Highland Park schools, that's different to me. I understand the change that was made, a stupid change in my opinion, given that most of the ones pushing for 6A to happen were the ones wanting to get the super schools out of playing much smaller "big" schools. That’s true that we now have super schools and before we didn’t. But that’s not the majority of 6A. Most of the 6As now and the 5A’s before are still somewhere in the 2000’s range.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Oct 25, 2022 12:07:41 GMT -6
Pre-1980 4A is 6A, just like pre-2014 5A is 6A. Here’s why. Before 2014, Class 5A was the current 6A. All they did was give six-man teams an “A” designation, which moved Class A teams to 2A, and then 2A became 3A, and so forth. Same thing happened to 4A in 1980. All Class B schools were designated Class A schools, which turned A to 2A, then 2A to 3A, then 3A to 4A, and finally 4A to 5A. So we haven’t actually had a truly new classification in decades; we’ve just been creating more districts and, later on, more divisions within the classifications. I guess one could say that the mid 2000’s 5A Highland Park isn’t truly today’s 6A due to current enrollment cutoffs, but let’s remember that the true definition of 6A (old 5A) is that you were one of the largest schools in the state. The cutoffs will gradually go up over time due to growth. If Highland Park was 5A, it’s because they were one of the 225 or so largest schools in the state. So my point about the 6A being different is back in the 80s and 90s we didn't see these super schools with 3000-6000 kids... when those schools double, triple, or more the enrollment of what was the "biggest" Highland Park schools, that's different to me. I understand the change that was made, a stupid change in my opinion, given that most of the ones pushing for 6A to happen were the ones wanting to get the super schools out of playing much smaller "big" schools. And now we will be getting 7a soon and it is overdue IMHO. Get these super sized 6a teams out of 6a altogether or at least split the classifications like all the smaller ones already do to keep a 2500 kid HS from facing another school in the playoffs with 5000+! I just ran the numbers from the last realignment and here is what I found was the average size school for each classification! 6a - 249 schools with ONLY 2 schools opted up - average enrollment = 2,936.5 5aD1 - 132 schools with 18 schools opted up - average enrollment = 2,026.2 5aD2 - 119 schools with 5 schools opted up - average enrollment = 1,621.0 4aD1 - 99 schools with 5 schools opted up - average enrollment = 1,066.1 4aD2 - 94 schools with 1 school opted up - average enrollment = 687.8 3aD1 - 104 schools with 2 schools opted up - average enrollment = 444.7 3aD2 - 102 schools with 1 school opted up - average enrollment = 306.3 2aD1 - 105 schools with no schools opted up - average enrollment = 207.7 2aD2 - 102 schools with 16 schools opted up - average enrollment = 131.8 Right now if they were to split 6a right down the middle and use the top 124 teams to make 7a, the enrollment would start at 2,816. To me this would be silly because you'd still have a school with barely over 2800 kids facing off against an Allen with 7K+ I think what they should look at is taking all schools with above 3100 which currently would be 73 schools. By next realignment I'd bet that number jumps to 85-90 schools. Take those and create 7a from that. Adjust the enrollment numbers after that for all remaining schools to balance them out and realign it only this time split the 6a in D1 & D2 into districts just like it is in 1a though 5a now.
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Post by BandidoNB on Oct 25, 2022 13:46:21 GMT -6
So my point about the 6A being different is back in the 80s and 90s we didn't see these super schools with 3000-6000 kids... when those schools double, triple, or more the enrollment of what was the "biggest" Highland Park schools, that's different to me. I understand the change that was made, a stupid change in my opinion, given that most of the ones pushing for 6A to happen were the ones wanting to get the super schools out of playing much smaller "big" schools. And now we will be getting 7a soon and it is overdue IMHO. Get these super sized 6a teams out of 6a altogether or at least split the classifications like all the smaller ones already do to keep a 2500 kid HS from facing another school in the playoffs with 5000+! I just ran the numbers from the last realignment and here is what I found was the average size school for each classification! 6a - 249 schools with ONLY 2 schools opted up - average enrollment = 2,936.5 5aD1 - 132 schools with 18 schools opted up - average enrollment = 2,026.2 5aD2 - 119 schools with 5 schools opted up - average enrollment = 1,621.0 4aD1 - 99 schools with 5 schools opted up - average enrollment = 1,066.1 4aD2 - 94 schools with 1 school opted up - average enrollment = 687.8 3aD1 - 104 schools with 2 schools opted up - average enrollment = 444.7 3aD2 - 102 schools with 1 school opted up - average enrollment = 306.3 2aD1 - 105 schools with no schools opted up - average enrollment = 207.7 2aD2 - 102 schools with 16 schools opted up - average enrollment = 131.8 Right now if they were to split 6a right down the middle and use the top 124 teams to make 7a, the enrollment would start at 2,816. To me this would be silly because you'd still have a school with barely over 2800 kids facing off against an Allen with 7K+ I think what they should look at is taking all schools with above 3100 which currently would be 73 schools. By next realignment I'd bet that number jumps to 85-90 schools. Take those and create 7a from that. Adjust the enrollment numbers after that for all remaining schools to balance them out and realign it only this time split the 6a in D1 & D2 into districts just like it is in 1a though 5a now. We will probably not see a class 7A in this next realignment. The UIL stated that the viable number for a new classification will be 200 schools and as of right now there are 250 5A schools and 250 6A schools. That is a total of 500 schools between class 5A and 6A and it will take 600 total schools between 5A to 7A for the new classification to be viable. A more realistic idea of what 7A will look like is if you take all 5A + 6A schools and divide those by three. I will see if I can check enrollment ranks later on.
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Post by BandidoNB on Oct 25, 2022 14:05:37 GMT -6
Ok I got it. If we create Class 7A with the proposed three way splitting of the current 5A and 6A, then the cutoffs would be as follows:
Class 7A cutoff - 2,570 Pearland Dawson - 177 schools Class 6A cutoff - 2,005 Cedar Park - 178 schools Class 5A cutoff - same as current - 178 schools
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Post by Clemensbuff on Oct 25, 2022 14:28:38 GMT -6
Ok I got it. If we create Class 7A with the proposed three way splitting of the current 5A and 6A, then the cutoffs would be as follows: Class 7A cutoff - 2,570 Pearland Dawson - 177 schools Class 6A cutoff - 2,005 Cedar Park - 178 schools Class 5A cutoff - same as current - 178 schools IMO, this would help nothing when dealing with mismatches in the playoffs with 6a schools You'd still have teams with 2600 facing off against teams with 5k, 6k, 7k even! I realize if they create a smaller number of schools classification it would require more travel. My answer to that is tuff poopoo! Get these super sized schools with 3200 or more and put them in a classification by themselves!
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Post by BandidoNB on Oct 25, 2022 14:44:48 GMT -6
Ok I got it. If we create Class 7A with the proposed three way splitting of the current 5A and 6A, then the cutoffs would be as follows: Class 7A cutoff - 2,570 Pearland Dawson - 177 schools Class 6A cutoff - 2,005 Cedar Park - 178 schools Class 5A cutoff - same as current - 178 schools IMO, this would help nothing when dealing with mismatches in the playoffs with 6a schools You'd still have teams with 2600 facing off against teams with 5k, 6k, 7k even! I realize if they create a smaller number of schools classification it would require more travel. My answer to that is tuff poopoo! Get these super sized schools with 3200 or more and put them in a classification by themselves! I agree with you there. Unfortunately the UIL is looking at numerical balance between 5A, 6A and 7A rather than enrollment disparities. But that could change if superintendents rally en masse.
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Post by warcat82 on Oct 25, 2022 15:04:05 GMT -6
So my point about the 6A being different is back in the 80s and 90s we didn't see these super schools with 3000-6000 kids... when those schools double, triple, or more the enrollment of what was the "biggest" Highland Park schools, that's different to me. I understand the change that was made, a stupid change in my opinion, given that most of the ones pushing for 6A to happen were the ones wanting to get the super schools out of playing much smaller "big" schools. And now we will be getting 7a soon and it is overdue IMHO. Get these super sized 6a teams out of 6a altogether or at least split the classifications like all the smaller ones already do to keep a 2500 kid HS from facing another school in the playoffs with 5000+! I just ran the numbers from the last realignment and here is what I found was the average size school for each classification! 6a - 249 schools with ONLY 2 schools opted up - average enrollment = 2,936.5 5aD1 - 132 schools with 18 schools opted up - average enrollment = 2,026.2 5aD2 - 119 schools with 5 schools opted up - average enrollment = 1,621.0 4aD1 - 99 schools with 5 schools opted up - average enrollment = 1,066.1 4aD2 - 94 schools with 1 school opted up - average enrollment = 687.8 3aD1 - 104 schools with 2 schools opted up - average enrollment = 444.7 3aD2 - 102 schools with 1 school opted up - average enrollment = 306.3 2aD1 - 105 schools with no schools opted up - average enrollment = 207.7 2aD2 - 102 schools with 16 schools opted up - average enrollment = 131.8 Right now if they were to split 6a right down the middle and use the top 124 teams to make 7a, the enrollment would start at 2,816. To me this would be silly because you'd still have a school with barely over 2800 kids facing off against an Allen with 7K+ I think what they should look at is taking all schools with above 3100 which currently would be 73 schools. By next realignment I'd bet that number jumps to 85-90 schools. Take those and create 7a from that. Adjust the enrollment numbers after that for all remaining schools to balance them out and realign it only this time split the 6a in D1 & D2 into districts just like it is in 1a though 5a now. That's what 6A was supposed to do before. All the coaches I know and knew that were in 5A when it was announced 6A was coming were excited because it was supposed to remove the super schools and give more of them a fighting chance. Then UIL said "psych" and just re-labeled everyone. I understand there are not 225 super schools, and that alot of 6A are 2000+, but pulling those super schools out is like you said way over due....
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Post by warcat82 on Oct 25, 2022 16:19:13 GMT -6
I think all 3 of us agree on this. Heck I'd wager to say most of Texas high school football feels this way. UIL has done a disservice to the kids in Texas by: 1 allowing super schools to exist, and 2 saying it's a competive advantage for a team with 13 extra kids in their school to play smaller schools, yet turn around and allow a classification to have schools with 5000 more kids to compete with smaller schools.
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Post by wfcoyote on Oct 29, 2022 1:08:50 GMT -6
Highland Park Scots 31 Richardson Eagles 0
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Post by wfcoyote on Oct 29, 2022 8:22:43 GMT -6
Highland Park Scots 31 Richardson Eagles 0 The Scots must have a pretty good defense.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Oct 29, 2022 14:29:51 GMT -6
Highland Park Scots 31 Richardson Eagles 0 The Scots must have a pretty good defense. Guess we will find out soon when playoffs start. Richardson is not good and only averages about 18 per game anyway & been shutout 3 of 9 games. Berner beat them 49-0!
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Post by gp37 on Oct 31, 2022 16:05:45 GMT -6
The Scots should finish undefeated in District.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Nov 1, 2022 5:44:47 GMT -6
The Scots should finish undefeated in District. Yup Their district isn't very good honestly. Their 31-17 win over Lewisville in non district was a good one! That is Lewisville's only loss of the season and they have Hebron left this week to try and go 7-0 in district.
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