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Post by CC_Varmints on Mar 17, 2021 18:44:55 GMT -6
He may be but a school that size with unlimited talent to choose from is on another level. They most likely have a very good idea who fits the idea of what they want in their next HC. There probably less than a half dozen names on their short list. no doubt It really isn't that hard to be good when you have over 6k kids enrolled They literally play a ton of teams in the playoffs that are barely 50% as large as they are. Kinda like if a 5a D1 team were playing 3a schools more or less. The wealthiest ISD in Texas. Way over HP and Lake Travis.
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Post by leopard4life on Mar 17, 2021 21:47:40 GMT -6
Allen HS Head Coach Terry Gambill has announced retirement. Allen Job is Open. They want Carthage AD/HFC Scott Surratt. Where are you hearing this? I asked a few insiders about Surratt and they both said “who”. When I told them they both laughed and said @no”, but stranger things have happened.
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Post by leopard4life on Mar 17, 2021 21:51:21 GMT -6
Clem, Allen is just shy of 7000 , Nobody else in their district has 4000. They are 1300+ larger than the Second largest 6A school, Plano West. Any idea why they haven’t built another high school in that area? Allen ISD is 29 square miles. You can drive to the HS in 10 minutes or less from anywhere in the district. There will never be a 2nd HS
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Post by picodegallo on Mar 18, 2021 0:10:04 GMT -6
Any idea why they haven’t built another high school in that area? Allen ISD is 29 square miles. You can drive to the HS in 10 minutes or less from anywhere in the district. There will never be a 2nd HS Every person I’ve chatted with from Allen says a 2nd high school will never happen. They might be 100% correct. However I will note that once upon a time down in this part of the state, this was the same thing being said by residents of the Judson ISD. They tried everything and went through a few Superintendents and power shifts in school boards on both sides of the issue of going multi high school until it could not sustain itself and now they have three high schools serving the ISD. I do however acknowledge the ISDs are different in a few categories which might sustain it for the longer term in a Allen . A lot of the resistance at Judson was of course a reaction to the possibility of disrupting their athletic program and primarily football which occurs when an ISD splits its high schools for the first time. Allen is a little different in the fact they do put a lot of emphasis and pride in their entire setup they have in place in both the academic, extra curricular, and athletic legs of the stool.
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Post by Clemensbuff on Mar 18, 2021 6:36:30 GMT -6
Any idea why they haven’t built another high school in that area? Good question especially considering so much of the states ISDs seem to think 5A is right size on the upper end for students and admin. This is exactly what I've read on other boards. Sounds like the folks of Allen like having only 1 HS. I do not agree with this at all and think it is a disservice to the kids overall. Yes, there may be some things that could be beneficial along the way but overall I would hate to have my kid going to a school with 7k others. Talk about being lost in the crowd
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Post by picodegallo on Mar 18, 2021 7:48:19 GMT -6
Good question especially considering so much of the states ISDs seem to think 5A is right size on the upper end for students and admin. This is exactly what I've read on other boards. Sounds like the folks of Allen like having only 1 HS. I do not agree with this at all and think it is a disservice to the kids overall. Yes, there may be some things that could be beneficial along the way but overall I would hate to have my kid going to a school with 7k others. Talk about being lost in the crowd I agree.... It has to be a task enough to whittle down a football roster with those numbers.... Your other sports have to be huge challenge knowing you are very much leaving some kids off the rosters who could probably start or contribute significantly at probably every other school in the DFW area. Have to think it does take some toll on a personnel level on some of the coaches and certainly the kids. As a parent and if my kids were in middle school or high school and we had to relocate to the DFW area, I might think twice about moving into the Allen ISD unless my kids already has some creditability (IE on recruit watch lists) in whatever sport they played to get on the coaches radars right away. Other than that, it has to be a tougher nut to crack for newbies. I'd probably look elsewhere.
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Post by bluecat on Mar 18, 2021 7:56:08 GMT -6
Allen ISD is 29 square miles. You can drive to the HS in 10 minutes or less from anywhere in the district. There will never be a 2nd HS Every person I’ve chatted with from Allen says a 2nd high school will never happen. They might be 100% correct. However I will note that once upon a time down in this part of the state, this was the same thing being said by residents of the Judson ISD. They tried everything and went through a few Superintendents and power shifts in school boards on both sides of the issue of going multi high school until it could not sustain itself and now they have three high schools serving the ISD. I do however acknowledge the ISDs are different in a few categories which might sustain it for the longer term in a Allen . A lot of the resistance at Judson was of course a reaction to the possibility of disrupting their athletic program and primarily football which occurs when an ISD splits its high schools for the first time. Allen is a little different in the fact they do put a lot of emphasis and pride in their entire setup they have in place in both the academic, extra curricular, and athletic legs of the stool. I went online to try to find out more about that ISD. I read a article when the did a interview with the Supt. Of that school and they asked him why Allen still has a single high school system. His answer was simple. They have the single high school that includes Soph-seniors and a separate school exclusively for the freshmen. Each grade level in those two schools average from 1750 to 1900. They have multiple football teams at the freshmen and JV levels and a single varsity team. They then asked why they did not build a second high school? He stated the many advantages of having a huge school. The have a separate principal for each grade level. They can offer multiple extra curricular activities that most schools cannot offer. And he stated that right now there are no state laws or rules that mandate the size of the largest schools in Texas. They also have the largest high school band in Texas at 700 members. Size does matter in that the varsity team carries to each game about 100 players. Some of their backup players would be starters on most 5-6A schools. That’s why size matter because on most smaller schools when injuries occur the talent level drops off. With Allen they just plug in the next starter with little drop off in talent. Everything is bigger in Texas especially Allen ISD.
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Post by picodegallo on Mar 18, 2021 8:38:30 GMT -6
Every person I’ve chatted with from Allen says a 2nd high school will never happen. They might be 100% correct. However I will note that once upon a time down in this part of the state, this was the same thing being said by residents of the Judson ISD. They tried everything and went through a few Superintendents and power shifts in school boards on both sides of the issue of going multi high school until it could not sustain itself and now they have three high schools serving the ISD. I do however acknowledge the ISDs are different in a few categories which might sustain it for the longer term in a Allen . A lot of the resistance at Judson was of course a reaction to the possibility of disrupting their athletic program and primarily football which occurs when an ISD splits its high schools for the first time. Allen is a little different in the fact they do put a lot of emphasis and pride in their entire setup they have in place in both the academic, extra curricular, and athletic legs of the stool. I went online to try to find out more about that ISD. I read a article when the did a interview with the Supt. Of that school and they asked him why Allen still has a single high school system. His answer was simple. They have the single high school that includes Soph-seniors and a separate school exclusively for the freshmen. Each grade level in those two schools average from 1750 to 1900. They have multiple football teams at the freshmen and JV levels and a single varsity team. They then asked why they did not build a second high school? He stated the many advantages of having a huge school. The have a separate principal for each grade level. They can offer multiple extra curricular activities that most schools cannot offer. And he stated that right now there are no state laws or rules that mandate the size of the largest schools in Texas. They also have the largest high school band in Texas at 700 members. Size does matter in that the varsity team carries to each game about 100 players. Some of their backup players would be starters on most 5-6A schools. That’s why size matter because on most smaller schools when injuries occur the talent level drops off. With Allen they just plug in the next starter with little drop off in talent. Everything is bigger in Texas especially Allen ISD. Yes this what I've pretty much heard about their model. They have things that a good community college system or even smaller four year colleges offer such culinary arts, symphony bands, etc... You can see the course offerings at this link. sites.google.com/allenisd.org/ahscounselorscorner/home/2021-2022-academic-planning-guide-course-selection?authuser=0
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Post by Clemensbuff on Mar 18, 2021 10:13:44 GMT -6
I went online to try to find out more about that ISD. I read a article when the did a interview with the Supt. Of that school and they asked him why Allen still has a single high school system. His answer was simple. They have the single high school that includes Soph-seniors and a separate school exclusively for the freshmen. Each grade level in those two schools average from 1750 to 1900. They have multiple football teams at the freshmen and JV levels and a single varsity team. They then asked why they did not build a second high school? He stated the many advantages of having a huge school. The have a separate principal for each grade level. They can offer multiple extra curricular activities that most schools cannot offer. And he stated that right now there are no state laws or rules that mandate the size of the largest schools in Texas. They also have the largest high school band in Texas at 700 members. Size does matter in that the varsity team carries to each game about 100 players. Some of their backup players would be starters on most 5-6A schools. That’s why size matter because on most smaller schools when injuries occur the talent level drops off. With Allen they just plug in the next starter with little drop off in talent. Everything is bigger in Texas especially Allen ISD. Yes this what I've pretty much heard about their model. They have things that a good community college system or even smaller four year colleges offer such culinary arts, symphony bands, etc... You can see the course offerings at this link. sites.google.com/allenisd.org/ahscounselorscorner/home/2021-2022-academic-planning-guide-course-selection?authuser=0And these are the benefits I spoke of with some course offerings that some smaller schools might not be able to offer. But, symphony band is nothing new and a lot of 6a schools have them. IMO, the bad still outweighs the good when you have kids getting overlooked that wouldn't be at a school say 1/2 that size which would still be bigger than 90% of the 6as in the state! smdh
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Post by Hounhound on Mar 18, 2021 10:25:52 GMT -6
This is exactly what I've read on other boards. Sounds like the folks of Allen like having only 1 HS. I do not agree with this at all and think it is a disservice to the kids overall. Yes, there may be some things that could be beneficial along the way but overall I would hate to have my kid going to a school with 7k others. Talk about being lost in the crowd I agree.... It has to be a task enough to whittle down a football roster with those numbers.... Your other sports have to be huge challenge knowing you are very much leaving some kids off the rosters who could probably start or contribute significantly at probably every other school in the DFW area. Have to think it does take some toll on a personnel level on some of the coaches and certainly the kids. As a parent and if my kids were in middle school or high school and we had to relocate to the DFW area, I might think twice about moving into the Allen ISD unless my kids already has some creditability (IE on recruit watch lists) in whatever sport they played to get on the coaches radars right away. Other than that, it has to be a tougher nut to crack for newbies. I'd probably look elsewhere. I would not send my kid to a school that large even if he was the #1 all position multi sport recruit in the country. He would get the same amount of attention at a 3A as anywhere else. That's just too many students at 1 school.
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Post by picodegallo on Mar 18, 2021 10:40:21 GMT -6
And these are the benefits I spoke of with some course offerings that some smaller schools might not be able to offer. But, symphony band is nothing new and a lot of 6a schools have them. IMO, the bad still outweighs the good when you have kids getting overlooked that wouldn't be at a school say 1/2 that size which would still be bigger than 90% of the 6as in the state! smdh Indeed correct about symphony/orchestra bands. It just look like from their class offerings, they offer it as separate type of program aside from the main band program where in the overwhelming majority of schools, it's part of the regular band program which means the kids are also part of the marching band. I notice they also have Chinese Language courses.... I venture to say that is not a common course offering at many high schools in Texas much less the nation the whole, save some of the more upper class urban schools in some of the big cities in the Northeast and a few others on the West Coast. Sign Language and Computer Language is also offered to fill that requirement.
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Post by picodegallo on Mar 18, 2021 10:46:49 GMT -6
I agree.... It has to be a task enough to whittle down a football roster with those numbers.... Your other sports have to be huge challenge knowing you are very much leaving some kids off the rosters who could probably start or contribute significantly at probably every other school in the DFW area. Have to think it does take some toll on a personnel level on some of the coaches and certainly the kids. As a parent and if my kids were in middle school or high school and we had to relocate to the DFW area, I might think twice about moving into the Allen ISD unless my kids already has some creditability (IE on recruit watch lists) in whatever sport they played to get on the coaches radars right away. Other than that, it has to be a tougher nut to crack for newbies. I'd probably look elsewhere. I would not send my kid to a school that large even if he was the #1 all position multi sport recruit in the country. He would get the same amount of attention at a 3A as anywhere else. That's just too many students at 1 school. We are probably on the same page there. I do admit they do have a good concept about how they've broken away from the conventional modes in order to get kids engaged in some sort of field early. Until I actually looked at the course offerings, in my mind I thought a lot of their programs would be aimed towards the more white collar type world. They got the skill part of the equation pretty well covered too.. Automotive, Welding, Construction, health science...
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Post by leopard4life on Mar 18, 2021 12:42:20 GMT -6
The AD has now retired.
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Post by Hounhound on Mar 18, 2021 12:57:17 GMT -6
Now the Indication of something going on with the Athletic Department at Allen has really started to increase. This Could turn into a Huge story at Allen ISD. Looks like it's time for a little transparency.
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Post by picodegallo on Mar 18, 2021 13:33:25 GMT -6
Now the Indication of something going on with the Athletic Department at Allen has really started to increase. This Could turn into a Huge story at Allen ISD. Looks like it's time for a little transparency. It's either something big has occurred or the now former HC is moving up to AD kind of like what happened not far away in Aledo. Allen has plenty of critics up there that I'm sure are like Bloodhounds sniffing around to see what's up....
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